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Originally posted by echosystm "abs are made in the kitchen" - seems to be the saying these days weighted/non-weighted crunches and leg lifts will build up your ab muscles to a point, but basically its all about getting your bodyfat as low as possible (sub 10%). So in otherwords, do cardio and minimise carb + sugar intake i think, and eat alot of protein and you'll get there eventually BTW. You can't spot reduce, dont get sucked into those stupid bs ads with ab machines saying like "GREAT ABS IN 10 WEEKS" - it doesnt work like that

how long you think it will take? can u tell me maybe a good start on things to do? so i need to deit and eat less? abs is the only thing im having problems with.

soo it's back to the gym after a 2 week hiatus... week 1- WMC... week 2- recovery...!

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Originally posted by kelly923 soo it's back to the gym after a 2 week hiatus... week 1- WMC... week 2- recovery...!

judging by your avatar i understand the hiatus


i remember actually one time doing cocain at my gym.. i did like 40 dips or something it was crazy haha


but thats not proper gym edicate

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Originally posted by zack3082 well heres the deal with that.. first of all you dont have to be a pro to eat like one, and pros dont eat like that. i dont think you even want to know the stats of a real professionals diet, yet alone someone who competes naturally. some people actually like eating healthy, have you ever tried eating a diet developed for you, to meet the needs of your body, with the right amout of carbs, fats, and proteins? after a while of earting clean it almost seems like unhealthy food wont even settle in youre stomach right. an overachievement for you might be someone elses bare minimum. i mean somebody out there might think that making two records beat at the say time is about as cool as dj sammy. some people have to go on diets like this because they dont have the best genetics, they havent got down to a low body fat to eat "healthy" (by healty i mean not strict, my diet is strict and hard as hell, physically and mentally), by you saying that its your not more than 12%, it sounds like you have been around that area for a while. i just got done with a pretty clean bulking diet, coming from 255 w/38 inch waist, cut down to 190 w/32", then a clean bulk up to 214. with this diet that im on now im aiming for 10% when im done. picture of me from sunday mornin at 1030am leaving a club in new orleans..

Well, maybe I expressed myself wrong...
I know how pro diets look like, I saw a few...
My point was you don't have to have a strict diet like that if you're simply living your life and keeping a good look.
If you're trying to lose weight (fat) or if you're having a goal you want to achieve in certain ammount of time (like getting xx muscless 'till yy date), then it's okay to have a very strict diet.
However, not many can have that strict diet for long time...
Calculating everything in grams and not eating no more and no less is not easy.
Especially when you're eating something not because it's tasty, but because it will give you good results.
For example, fatless cheese. Yuck. I ate it because of good ammounts of proteins and casein (which is good before going to bed). After it, I'd go straight to the bathroom to wash my teeth.
With time, I understood it's not neccesary.
Now I'm living my life, eating healthy, but not strictly, havaing a good look and being satisfied with myself.
As for my body fat, I really don't know how much is it, but from what I seen (looks and body fats of other people), I think it's 10-12%.
I'll try to find a way to measure it somehow...

just out of interest. do have any of you got any good recipes for beef, or turkey, or tuna?

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Originally posted by TranceSpeeder how long you think it will take? can u tell me maybe a good start on things to do? so i need to deit and eat less? abs is the only thing im having problems with.

With proper nutrition, not too strict, and with training abs 2-3 times a week, it took me around 3 months.
Note that lots of reps aren't neccesary at all.
Just do 1-3 exercies for abs, 3-4 series each, 12-15 reps, with weight if possible. 2 times a week is enough.

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Originally posted by diego just out of interest. do have any of you got any good recipes for beef, or turkey, or tuna?

I heard tuna and fatless cheese taste good... Though I'd never try that combination.
I simply slap 100-200 grams of turkey breast on a slice of bread and eat it.

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Originally posted by Gauss I heard tuna and fatless cheese taste good... Though I'd never try that combination. I simply slap 100-200 grams of turkey breast on a slice of bread and eat it.

ye well i'm thinking more along the lines of 400g of turkey at a serving and i don't eat bread

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Tuna, Black Beans and hot sauce...mmmm
Or substitute the beans with Corn. Also, Tuna, Chick peas and low fat mayo.

Chicken I just put A1 on, and I get deli turkey slices, throw them in a high fiber wrap, and spread some hummus on it.

That's about as innovative as I get.

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Originally posted by Gauss I heard tuna and fatless cheese taste good... Though I'd never try that combination. I simply slap 100-200 grams of turkey breast on a slice of bread and eat it.

thanks man! ile post pics somemtime of before and after.

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Originally posted by diego ye well i'm thinking more along the lines of 400g of turkey at a serving and i don't eat bread

Almost 0.5 kg of turkey without any bread? Nice...