I predict Schuster will get fired in 2 yrs, for failing to win both La Liga and CL in same yr

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by K.I.K.E. They fire Capello for the whistle fest that the Bernabeu has been until April: Madrid played BAD the entire season, even if they managed to win. Bernabeu attendance has been, during the entire Real Madrid history, very demanding with the team: you must win, but you must play well too. The same happens with Barça. Its a different situation than 2003 (Del Bosque firing), since that team played great and won the title (I still think that hired Queiroz more for his face than for football matters). Bernd Schuster (Getafe) will be the next coach: he makes his teams play great.

The board doesn't necessarily need to listen to the fans. Even if Real played bad, and even if the fans were annoyed by how the team played, they won the title and could use it as motivation to build up on the success for the next couple seasons. Firing the manager at this stage is a dumb thing to do.

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Originally posted by noikeee The board doesn't necessarily need to listen to the fans. Even if Real played bad, and even if the fans were annoyed by how the team played, they won the title and could use it as motivation to build up on the success for the next couple seasons. Firing the manager at this stage is a dumb thing to do.

exactly!

Real fans must be idiots if they're happy when the team plays but DOESN'T win the league title.

What the hell kind of gratification would you get out of a trophy-less season with a lot of pretty goals and wonderful plays???

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Originally posted by K.I.K.E. They fire Capello for the whistle fest that the Bernabeu has been until April: Madrid played BAD the entire season, even if they managed to win.

Even then, Capello got Madrid back from the dead to win the title. This is a team that went 4 years without winning a trophy because they had a horrible transfer policy and an even more horrible criteria for success.

Capello came in and bought the first positive moment since 2003 for the team and what do they do - they fire him. At the very least they could have seen the deficit he managed to get this team to overcome and win the title and that should have warranted giving him atleast another year to see how much more of an improvement he could make to the team.

Capello has won the league with every team that he has managed and they let him go. Now they are going to bring in Schuster who might be a great coach but he is coming from managing a team that till 2 years ago was in the second division and this new challenge of managing a big club can be overwhelming even to the best of them and they need time to adjust into a different style of management, finances , egos etc before they can bring the backroom and the on field performances at par with their way of doing things but obviously the Bernabeu management does not allow that much time so I can see Schuster also getting the boot unless he performs a miracle and wins La Liga by March and then gets the Champions Leauge.

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Originally posted by Aristronica What the hell kind of gratification would you get out of a trophy-less season with a lot of pretty goals and wonderful plays???

I guess they want to be like Arsenal

Calderon is a fucking idiot... OK, i agree that Madrid did not play well for the first half of the season.. But lets get one thing straight, they hired Capello to get RESULTS, and he delivered. In my opinion Capello's work was amazing. He came in, didnt give a shit about who the players were (wasnt scared to bench Cassano or sell Ronaldo), didnt care about what the directors said and didnt care about all the whistles and booing of the Bernabeu. He stood his ground and continued to beleive in his ideas, and they worked. People dont realize how hard the job Capello did actually was. He came into a club with a lot of big-ego players with probably the most demanding fans and directors and in one season managed to win la Liga. And let me tell you, even though Madrid's football wasnt great during the first half, It has been a LOOOONG time since I can remember living such exciting games with Madrid as I did during this seasons last 2 months. I had never been so anxious waiting for Sunday so I could see Madrid play. So bottom line is, Capello's owrk was great. He came to madrid, fixed all the ego-problems by having ballas and not fearing to bench anybody, he got the team spirit back which is what we needed the most, and most importantly, he won the fucking liga. So he did what he was hired to do. Beside, If Capello stayed I bet Madrid would begin next season playing awesome like they did at the end of this season.. CALDERON, DIMISION!

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Originally posted by Aristronica Real fans must be idiots if they're happy when the team plays but DOESN'T win the league title.

Madridistas want both things: titles and good football. But this isn't new: has been always like that.

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Originally posted by paranoiko Even if Real played bad, and even if the fans were annoyed by how the team played, they won the title and could use it as motivation to build up on the success for the next couple seasons. Firing the manager at this stage is a dumb thing to do.

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Originally posted by raveed Even then, Capello got Madrid back from the dead to win the title. This is a team that went 4 years without winning a trophy because they had a horrible transfer policy and an even more horrible criteria for success. Capello came in and bought the first positive moment since 2003 for the team and what do they do - they fire him. At the very least they could have seen the deficit he managed to get this team to overcome and win the title and that should have warranted giving him atleast another year to see how much more of an improvement he could make to the team. Capello has won the league with every team that he has managed and they let him go. Now they are going to bring in Schuster who might be a great coach but he is coming from managing a team that till 2 years ago was in the second division and this new challenge of managing a big club can be overwhelming even to the best of them and they need time to adjust into a different style of management, finances , egos etc before they can bring the backroom and the on field performances at par with their way of doing things but obviously the Bernabeu management does not allow that much time so I can see Schuster also getting the boot unless he performs a miracle and wins La Liga by March and then gets the Champions Leauge.

Capello was the short-term solution: Madrid needed a title this year 'yes or yes'. But his football philosophy doesn't match with Real Madrid football philosophy, and thats why they sign(ed) Schuster (who had a pre-contract with Real Madrid since March, when RM was elimitated from both Copa del Rey -very poor performance- and Champions League, when Capello wasn't fired by inches -they let him finish the season, but the decision was taken-. The luck Madrid had the last 3 months -those desperate and rare injury-time wins- saved Capello from the 'Spring sack'), even with his achievement at handling the roster (problems until mid-season, with the brazilians, Cassano, the veterans, Beckham..., 'apparently' solved in the end).

Bernd Schuster: of course, Madrid roster isn't Getafe one. Has a Del Bosque similar profile (playbook, relation with players), an that might help. I only see him sacked soon if things go very bad at every front. See: Rijkaard.

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most reports over here place the blame on Mijatovic

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Originally posted by K.I.K.E. Madridistas want both things: titles and good football. But this isn't new: has been always like that.

Madrid fans are stuck in a timewarp then. Playin Good football and maintaining a challenge on all fronts is impossible. FACT. it may have been something achievable back in the 60's when the gulf in class was so great between madrid and others they faced but now football is a much harder game to win all the time (see man utd this season), so to do it fans must have to realise that sometimes the team has to play ugly football.

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Originally posted by K.I.K.E. Capello was the short-term solution: Madrid needed a title this year 'yes or yes'.

So why sign cappello on a 3 year deal if they knew it was going to be short term?

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Originally posted by K.I.K.E. But his football philosophy doesn't match with Real Madrid football philosophy,

So why sign cappello at all then? A coach famed for his teams ability to grind out results.

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Originally posted by K.I.K.E. even with his achievement at handling the roster (problems until mid-season, with the brazilians, Cassano, the veterans, Beckham..., 'apparently' solved in the end).

Cappello was brought in to try and sort out a dressing room in which player power was overwhelming managers. He got rid of ronaldo and carlos, cassano is still a problem, but beckham was sorted out and ended up giving his best performances in a madrid shirt under cappello. Job done.

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Originally posted by K.I.K.E. Bernd Schuster: of course, Madrid roster isn't Getafe one. Has a Del Bosque similar profile (playbook, relation with players), an that might help. I only see him sacked soon if things go very bad at every front. See: Rijkaard.

I don't see schuster handling the step up and think he will be sacked before the season is finished.
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At the end of the day, if you sack a manager who gets results your never likely to do well.

I sincerely hope that cannavaro goes to napoli so I can start supporting barca again because the way cappello (one of my hero's in the game - see athens 94 and milans demolition of barcelona) has been treated sickens me to the core, talk about using someone.

once more a good example of bad managment at Real Madrid (or better, the lack of managment)

Capello did what Real hasn't done in years, win a prize. The football may have been bad, but with Capello they could have build futher on this years achievments. With a new coach it could well be that they have to start from scratch. Schuster will have to adapt to his new environment, the players to the new trainer and possibly other tactics ...

Definitely NOT a good decision to sack Capello

i srsly cant stop venting about how disgraceful this is. More than anything, they have on consecutive occasions sacked the same coach after he won them the league. Its just plain disrespectful.

As for the criticism directed at Madrid only winning at the depth after falling behind on most occasions, it means that Capello instilled in them, an ability to play better under pressure which is the hallmark of a great football team. United were infamous for injury time goals during their dominance of english football in the 90's.

And when management changes, so do players so this is probably unsettling the madrid squad as well - must be confusing to realize that you might not be playing good enough despite winning trophies.

Sad to think that the only reasonable logic i can take out for Capello's sacking is that he was probably one of the main factors behind Beckham's departure and that is going to cost Madrid big time in terms of brand image given that they only overtook united as the richest club in the world once beckham left old trafford to head to the bernabeu.

*bump*

Well, Schuster is already payin' up...





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