Digital Aura, no I'm not kidding about Pac bot being a thug/gangsta/hustler...you mentioned that Cy did his homework after speaking up, now do yours before you do too...seems like you don't know anything about rap or hip hop. If your basing your opinions after reading Cy's and my post, then I really don't think you have a valid opinion on this subject, although I'm always open to hear others anyways.

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Truth is...there maybe some hip-hop artists trying to be a beacon in that genre - something salvageable or pure, but I think Cy is right on this one. Commercial Hip Hop is doing more damage than the anyone can correct...and they're doing it at a faster rate

Right and that's exactly my point..."underground" hip hop and it's essence is all about that, and more...it's just not limited to trying to save the world. The reason I was responding to Cy was because he was portraying hip hop as a whole as what seemed in his words a decadent culture, overrun by it's MTV facade that we've all come to learn to hate. It's true that the commercial aspect is ruining the state of hip hop, but that's not fair to say that ALL hip hop is going downhill(as some people in this thread continue to say).
Is trance going downhill because the sound hasn't changed for however many years? No. Same with hip hop - associating the commercialized, corporate owned hip hop with it's true roots is the EXACT same as identifying DJ Sammy, Ian van Dahl etc with trance.

but not only that u must remember as well listening to commercial hip hop is just skimming the surface...those are just singles they put out to sell listen to their albums the whole album..even some of these commercial mc's like jayz have incredible albums that have alot more meaning then u give credit for...even eminem albums if u listen to them and get the total meaning ull respect them more...just because they put out these singles abt guns hoes cash rims etc doesnt mean their whole album is like that...in this day and age thats what sells so they make a quick few singles throw it on their album to sell it and the rest of their songs are the real art work which most ppl never get to hear

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy but not only that u must remember as well listening to commercial hip hop is just skimming the surface...those are just singles they put out to sell listen to their albums the whole album..even some of these commercial mc's like jayz have incredible albums that have alot more meaning then u give credit for...even eminem albums if u listen to them and get the total meaning ull respect them more...just because they put out these singles abt guns hoes cash rims etc doesnt mean their whole album is like that...in this day and age thats what sells so they make a quick few singles throw it on their album to sell it and the rest of their songs are the real art work which most ppl never get to hear

Please try and use some punctuation and/or correct the grammar mistakes. I seriously have trouble reading your posts, and believe it or not, I wouldn't mind 'hearing' what you have to say

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy the truth is u guys no nothing of the music and u base it on bullshit u hear on the radio..let me ask u a question..lets say ur ion a club not a trance party...what makes the crowd go nuts house/trance or when hip hop is thrown on??? yeah thats right the crowd goes wild when hip hop is thrown on and when u start whinding with a chick to hip hop (which in my opinion u cant with electronica) ull find out why i enjoy hip hop so much more in a club...its more of an interactive type of music..when iut comes to music / ta;lent no doubt electronica producers ae more talented..but let me ask u this when it comes to the masses do ppl look at talent or what gets them moving???

worst argument ever.

all this says is that hip hop is popular, but we already knew that.

popular music has very little to do with talent. ppl listen to what they are told by mtv and radio.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy but not only that u must remember as well listening to commercial hip hop is just skimming the surface...those are just singles they put out to sell listen to their albums the whole album..even some of these commercial mc's like jayz have incredible albums that have alot more meaning then u give credit for...even eminem albums if u listen to them and get the total meaning ull respect them more...just because they put out these singles abt guns hoes cash rims etc doesnt mean their whole album is like that...in this day and age thats what sells so they make a quick few singles throw it on their album to sell it and the rest of their songs are the real art work which most ppl never get to hear

sorry but BS!

i've seen supposedly "deep lyrics" and it is still about hard times, almost always about hard times. THIS IS MOT AMAZING!! why don't they say something worth hearing, something great like mark twain, homer, poe, etc. the truth is, these so called deep and thought provoking rappers will be forgotten in a single generation at most.

hiphop is great if you listen to the real shit...not 2pac etc

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Originally posted by caddyshack sorry but BS! i've seen supposedly "deep lyrics" and it is still about hard times, almost always about hard times. THIS IS MOT AMAZING!! why don't they say something worth hearing, something great like mark twain, homer, poe, etc. the truth is, these so called deep and thought provoking rappers will be forgotten in a single generation at most.

because hip hop is based on ionward struggle.. the same with oetry and skaespeare..the whole notion of poetry is based o struggle..not about flowers and rosebuuds but life as being fuckin hard to live with.. tho i got to admit sometimes it really does get played out which is why i like throwing on a emniem tune or a jayz tune or a party tune...hip hop has soo many levels u wouldnt believe..theres chill out hip hop like outkast and a tribe called quest, hardcore gangster hip hop like shine biggie smalls etc.. theres party hip hop like jayz emienm to sometimes, lyrical hip hop where its just playing with the skills like cannibus and benefit..so many categories... and the best rappers out there are the ones who make rhymning exciting if u havent noticed...its one thing to rhymne and its another to add character ,thats what distinguishes crappy mcs from the good ones... and there are very deep rappers who say something worth listening too dl common sense or talib kwalei or mos def listen to them..very political and very well thought out rhymnes with a true message

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Originally posted by netw3rkd hiphop is great if you listen to the real shit...not 2pac etc

ur an idiot.. 2pac is the real shit lol

"theres party hip hop like jayz emienm to sometimes"

And i thought Eminem was pop-hop

"lets say ur ion a club not a trance party...what makes the crowd go nuts house/trance or when hip hop is thrown on??? yeah thats right the crowd goes wild when hip hop is thrown on and when u start whinding with a chick to hip hop"

It depends what kind of club we talking about.
When you going to a commercial club ,of course people will go nuts hearing hip hop, thats is why it called commercial club.But if you going to a Dance club, people will boo the dj out if he plays hip hop. I seen that happening before, everybody stoped dancing and was like," WTF, we are not in the top 20 club"

Vivid Boy - you make up a good point with the different levels of hiphop... some people are just naturally not fans of the style, I respect that... I'm not a fan of any type of rock, for instance. Hiphop's got its crunk stuff (Lil Jon, Ludacris), its chill stuff (Gangstarr, Dilated Peoples, The Roots) its gangsta stuff (2pac, NWA)... I like oldskool, crunk, and chill stuff the best... not too big of a fan of the gangsta stuff... it's all a matter of preference. And I think personally, while he's a fine rapper, 2pac gets *WAY* too much credit sometimes (is it because he's dead?)

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