of course as i've probably made clear on these boards i love the golden era stuff...i think that there are a couple of problems in trance right now...

1. too many ametuers (no offense to any of you guys on the boards) are making tracks that aren't really that great and getting them signed because they know they will get signed for making them.

2. too much of a focus on big synth...super uplifting (ala armin although he has been getting a little better) type stuff that takes away from what i think should be the primary focus...a solid rhythm...thats what a lot of tracks lack today...

3. too many remakes of classic tracks. trying to make newer versions of the past, instead of making new classics is a bad idea...true, it is good to hear an updated version of a track, but its got a little out of control this past year and i think that it is a great example of how uncreative producers have become...they cannot come up with new future classic material so they try to reinvent a tune of the past...

4. i don't think tracks stir up the same kind of emotions that older tracks had. i think a large part of this is, as mentioned above, the lack of producers ability to put emotion into tracks...and not just uplifting emotion (if anything that is over done now)...put to give you goose bumps when you here a tune....that should be the goal.

i know that some of you will understand what i'm saying...some of you might not be able to admit it, but its true.

I think that alot of you dont understand how marketing works. With anything thats good in the begining, being it music, movie's, underground, what so ever. As long as it has a mass appeal for a broader audience, it will be so.

What I mean is that, people see a formula. They think that this formula is doing so well, and they want to get as much as they can from it while it last.

For example, If you take a look at movies. Some of the most respected films were done over 60 years ago. Those which they call the "classics". Casablanca from the early 1940's, and even earlier.. Tons of classics back then. Now there isnt much that you can say that are "classics" in the more recent years. Maybe some here and there, but not the quality that were comming out back then. Alot of people are in it for the marketeting now, same goes with hip hop. Those who got into hip hop in the early 80's did it for fun. Now its more for marketing. Understand?

Dance music is no different. Its a marketing tool. The formula eventually gets abused and like this thread, people start to notice.. In Floorfillers #1, Its why a&r's and ect are always looking for new artist, to mix things up. Everyones an "amatuer" really until they get an oppertunity to showcase there talent, so thats what I feel about that. You cant really stop something from changing to which you do not have 100% control of.

Things will never be like they were before, you have your classics, your good times, but leave it at that. Move foward instead of always going back.

JaY

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Originally posted by JayD I think that alot of you dont understand how marketing works. With anything thats good in the begining, being it music, movie's, underground, what so ever. As long as it has a mass appeal for a broader audience, it will be so. What I mean is that, people see a formula. They think that this formula is doing so well, and they want to get as much as they can from it while it last. For example, If you take a look at movies. Some of the most respected films were done over 60 years ago. Those which they call the "classics". Casablanca from the early 1940's, and even earlier.. Tons of classics back then. Now there isnt much that you can say that are "classics" in the more recent years. Maybe some here and there, but not the quality that were comming out back then. Alot of people are in it for the marketeting now, same goes with hip hop. Those who got into hip hop in the early 80's did it for fun. Now its more for marketing. Understand? Dance music is no different. Its a marketing tool. The formula eventually gets abused and like this thread, people start to notice.. In Floorfillers #1, Its why a&r's and ect are always looking for new artist, to mix things up. Everyones an "amatuer" really until they get an oppertunity to showcase there talent, so thats what I feel about that. You cant really stop something from changing to which you do not have 100% control of. Things will never be like they were before, you have your classics, your good times, but leave it at that. Move foward instead of always going back. JaY

Well said!

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec maybe if u look at this years rehashs/rereleases of 99 tunes maybe u can see where all the complaining comes from

well, to be quite frankly i'm not that into trance as the most of you are, a relative newbie when it comes to trance , i don t know much of the stuff released in the old days.

so if you could name a few tracks like i earlier posted, i can better understand what you are all critical about

Good to see people finally coming around to my way of thinking.

It only took you what? ...5 years?

would the real Ishkur please stand up!

(actually, maybe its better not to with this crowd)

d00d...gotta say I love yer site. Really pushed the envelope but overall well done. Cleared up quite a bit for me too!

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Originally posted by Jimmy Hmmm..thats an interesting posting you've made. But i'm curious, could you name a couple of older tracks that you find, as you say, eexceeding today's? And then you name a couple of tracks that are played on asot and most of tranceaddict finds its really great, but which you think that they're not as great tracks as everybody thinks it to be?

Well, let's ignore 2000-01 for now.

For example, compare these (1996-99):
Renaissance: The Mix Collection - Part 4
Global Underground 007 - New York
Northern Exposure 2: West Coast Edition
Ibiza Euphoria
In Search of Sunrise
Deeper Shades of Hooj
Tranceport

To these (2002-03):
Nyana
Gatecrasher: Experience
Transparance
World Tour: Tokyo
Trance Nation: Deeper
Godskitchen Worldwide

I think that gives a decent idea of what I'm talking about. Tracks on the latter compilations are much more similar to each other and tend to be more formulaic in character and structure, as well as driven by very similar sounds. Also, the progression characteristic of the older compilations tends to be lost on the later ones. The 1996-99 albums are merely a sampling of the amazingly diverse quantity and quality of that time period, while I was hard pressed to even find what I did in 2002-03 of comparable value.

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Originally posted by Cobalt Even Marco has gone downhill. His remixes of Connected and 3rd Earth have been relatively poor. C:\del*.mp3 and Solarize really don't compare to Godd or In Charge.

Marco doesn't really like his Connected remix either.
His next 2 records will be dope, trust me...

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Originally posted by Ishkur Good to see people finally coming around to my way of thinking. It only took you what? ...5 years?

Really, I think this is more recent than that. Even the Anthem Crash and the 2000-01 aftermath were part of the evolution of trance. Things only really began to stagnate in 2002.

I think your idea of trance ending its growth in 1998 or something is much like saying a person ends his or her growth in life at twenty-five because from then on they cease to physically change. Letting a sound flesh out within a paradigm is also part of a musical progression, which trance was doing in the 1998-2001 time period.

But now, it's time for innovation. Things need to start changing on a more fundamental level than samples and melody variations.

i agree, many trance productions has become stale.. but there are still good ones being made..

AR52 - Timegate/Hibernation
Midway - Inca
GTR - Mistral
Ronald van Gelderen - Sustain[RVG's Eye for an Eye mix]
Neo & Farina - Mondial[Original]
Goldenscan - Sunrise[Ronski Speed mix]
Melodica - Tornado[PPK mix]
Hydra - Affinity[Backbeat mix]
Rapid Eye - Stealing Beauty[RE mix]
Matt Darey - Electro Buzz
Frank Who - Wonderful
Coast 2 Coast - Searching
J00F - La Voyage EP
Ferry Corsten - Right of Way album[especially Sublime, Whatever !, Sweet Sorrow, Right of Way, Kyoto]
Mirco de Govia - Chronoscale Album
Three Drives - Melodies from the Universe Album

were excellent releases this year.. i think 2003 started off really nicely then starting midpoint or end of summer til now, nothing exciting's been released.. i like to mix things up new and old.. playing all new trance in my set wouldnt work, cuz there are only few new tracks i feel and that would be cheating myself..

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Woah! This thread has had an impact on me....

...Its motivated me to form a new alias, and as such a new style direction, to try and be trance's saviour (i wont be but its good to experiment!)...

Shep

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Originally posted by Shepless Woah! This thread has had an impact on me.... ...Its motivated me to form a new alias, and as such a new style direction, to try and be trance's saviour (i wont be but its good to experiment!)... Shep

i'm with you...of course if we want a certain thing you gotta do it yourself...of course...i don't have skills...but i'm working on it .

and of course jay...you're right about the whole marketing thing...its just i'll tell you this...if a producer could capture the feeling of the public...and was able to develop a diverse sound while still making quality trance, they would quickly rise to the top of the ranks