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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J As for everyone else, what is so bad about being able to clearly tell what you're listening to? Trance is a massive genre, and defining it more clearly is no bad thing. That's the point of Ishkur's guide.

there is nothing wrong with it, but it becomes a little absurd when you start to label things like:

Dutch Trance
Beach Trance
Ibiza Trance
Club Trance
Car Trance
Euro Trance
Euro-Pop Trance

well...now i made some of those up, but hopefully its clear what is stupid about taking genre labelling too seriously...and if you can't see it...well...nevermind

Great job Maaz, keep it up.

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Originally posted by Lira -Definition of "cheese"? Music not liked by elitists, or something that is trying to hard to be what it isn't.

I think the meaning of "cheese" goes deeper if you look for its etymological roots. I think it's very related to an overly European melodic sound, with no funk or spice.

Just like 'kitsch' was consciously appropiated by 'camp' in the 1970s and 1980s, I think eurodance and Dutch trance from the late nineties appropiated a cheesy sound and gave it some class. There's no denying that the melodic lead from, say Out of the Blue, is extremely cheesy. Same goes for pretty much any Dutch or German or Italian or Belgian or British trance anthem from 1998 to the present. Cheese doesn't mean it's of bad quality, it just means it has a simple, unfunky melody. Nu NRG is Italian cheese, PvD is German cheese, Ferry is Dutch cheese, Solar Stone is British cheese etc.

HAHA... good one, "kitsch"!

Or... my current favorite:

TCHOTCHKE!

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Torontotrance, you really should shut up with your elitist bullshit. As for everyone else, what is so bad about being able to clearly tell what you're listening to? Trance is a massive genre, and defining it more clearly is no bad thing. That's the point of Ishkur's guide.

who the fuck asked you? As if I'm going to listen to a clueless 15 yr old noobie.

This thing will be massive and I wonder if you can really cover the genre in a paragraph because so much is complicated and complex. This might take ages to complete but as for a better guide than Ishkur.i'm all for it.

ill try to pitch in some of my knowledge too :P everyone should help.. and not bash each other. after all we dont get shit from flaming each other. (aside from other ppl on here who loves to boost their "internet-based ego"

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Doo Doo Breaks

No one needs an electronic dance music guide to tell them what music is what. You can tell by ear. Quit cavorting with your genres and subgenres. Theres 6 genres:

Trance
Techno
Breaks
Ambient
DNB
Psyche

The reason for this is that each of these genres sound significantly different enough from the others to count as its own genre. And I by no means have engraved this into stone, its just something broad enough to go by. Anything broader would be 2 genres: 4-on-4, and Other.

House?
Jungle?
Tribal House?
Hard House?


your 6 genres is weak

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Originally posted by torontotrance it's not just techno....you've never tried me on anything else marcus....lol...my knowledge surprises most...lol...and music is not the only thing I know...rofl...I'm the person you can take anywhere..ballet....art gallery and I probably know as much as most and can argue my points...lol...not my fault...god blessed me with a memory bank.

Wow.

the lame colombian thought it was a joke

it was not anything elite

I know a lot...too much reading as a youngster and never forgot anything...rediculous.

Art gallery yes
ballet yes

I like to view myself as cultured

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Originally posted by torontotrance House? Jungle? Tribal House? Hard House? your 6 genres is weak

My bad I forgot house. Silly me, 7 genres it is.

Anyway, jungle falls under DNB. Do you really think tribal house and hard house are their own genres? Theyre simply subgenres of house. The way your system works, you'd have to include all 4 billion subgenres of each genre, even the small regional ones like, hypothetically, Ohio Eggplant Harvest House.