My only issue is the word used. Marriage has been throughout history a male female word. Just because the homosexuals are getting more accepted into society, and being raised up to the same level of benefits as everyone else, which they should be, doesnt mean they get to rewrite history. I believe in tradition and heritage. And to have someone try to change something that is a sacred union to secular and religious types alike in a political goal to get more accepted, its wrong.

Give them identical benefits to marriage, call it something else, and im happy.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller married couples do recieve certain advantages in life be it a different tax bracket, a discount on your auto insruance, the ability to share medical and dental plans. if people are commited to one another, why shouldn't they be able to share those benefits?

Marriage is not a purely financial institution. If they want civil unions, fine, that's not really my business

But "marriage" is really about a man and woman coming together for life in order to have children. It's an essential function in our society. Gays can't have children, nor can they raise them as well as a man and a woman.

"Marriage" is between a man and a woman, period.

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Originally posted by Orbax My only issue is the word used. Marriage has been throughout history a male female word. Just because the homosexuals are getting more accepted into society, and being raised up to the same level of benefits as everyone else, which they should be, doesnt mean they get to rewrite history. I believe in tradition and heritage. And to have someone try to change something that is a sacred union to secular and religious types alike in a political goal to get more accepted, its wrong. Give them identical benefits to marriage, call it something else, and im happy.

i can go for that. i agree. i think that the primary reason that the gay community wants to become legally married is really just a stab at what you just said, tradition. Of course the fact that gay and lesbian couples are not condoned in certain religious ideologies, in fact the very religions that purpose marriage to begin with, is definitely the target. So yes, i agree...call it something else, but get the benefits of it.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf But "marriage" is really about a man and woman coming together for life in order to have children. It's an essential function in our society. Gays can't have children, nor can they raise them as well as a man and a woman.

How can you say this? What do you know that we dont? Two men or two women can raise a child just as well as any other pair. And yes they can have children, its called adoption.

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Originally posted by Orbax gay and lesbian are two distinct groups within the homosexual community

"gay homosexuality" is incorrect grammar. It would be like saying "straight heterosexual"
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"Usage Note:... Many writers reserve gay for males, but the word is also used to refer to both sexes; when the intended meaning is not clear in the context, the phrase gay and lesbian may be used."

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Because dying sucks...you dont get to live anymore that was my point.

that's a very profound point but, if you reread your original post you made an analogy between dying and homosexuality as both being "wrong", that was your point. If you would like to claify that analogy go ahead.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie How can you say this? What do you know that we dont? Two men or two women can raise a child just as well as any other pair. And yes they can have children, its called adoption.

hehe, I think you know what he meant though.


FF- yep. Its a desperate attempt to get accepted on as many levels as possible. Which I can understand and lament at the same time. Theyre in a hard spot

i personally don't really agree with gay adoption simply because of the child. i don't doubt that a gay couple could effectively raise a child, but at least in today's society i think it is unfair to place a small child into that situation and subject them to the negative social attitudes.

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Originally posted by Orbax hehe, I think you know what he meant though.

No, I didnt. Besides blood, whats the difference between a family that adopts and a family that gives birth to their children? I see none.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i personally don't really agree with gay adoption simply because of the child. i don't doubt that a gay couple could effectively raise a child, but at least in today's society i think it is unfair to place a small child into that situation and subject them to the negative social attitudes.

i agree with that. kids at school r cruel enuf..imagine sayin to everybody at school that you have two dads or two moms. and second if u r a child of a gay couple u know that they r not ur real parents and always wonder who is. just too hard for the kid.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic i agree with that. kids at school r cruel enuf..imagine sayin to everybody at school that you have two dads or two moms. and second if u r a child of a gay couple u know that they r not ur real parents and always wonder who is. just too hard for the kid.

Well then rather than just saying "Oh well" dont you think we should be proactive and teach each other to accept our differences???

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie Well then rather than just saying "Oh well" dont you think we should be proactive and teach each other to accept our differences???

yes maybe we should, but i don't think that is a reality today. it should be something we work towards achieving. if it was...i wouldn't have any problem with gay adoption. Not everyone is as open-minded as us

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Originally posted by igottaknow "gay homosexuality" is incorrect grammar. It would be like saying "straight heterosexual" excerpt from dictionary.com "Usage Note:... Many writers reserve gay for males, but the word is also used to refer to both sexes; when the intended meaning is not clear in the context, the phrase gay and lesbian may be used." that's a very profound point but, if you reread your original post you made an analogy between dying and homosexuality as both being "wrong", that was your point. If you would like to claify that analogy go ahead.

mmhmm

If youve seen Kill Bill: Volume II and heard the story about the dying fish that was my point. That someone with no concept of life or death instantly knew that something was wrong when the fish stopped flapping.

I was saying that there is a "human instinct" that knows WRONGNESS. Not always exactly WHAT is wrong but that there is wrongness.