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Originally posted by greedy myles Ok, I think this says it all... A young couple in evening dress hobbled into a Washington emergency room covered in bloody napkins. The man's serviettes were around his waist, while the woman's were on her head. Sheepishly, they explained that they had been having a romantic dinner, when, overcome with passion, the woman slipped under the table and began oral sex. She then suffered an epileptic fit. The seizure caused her to clamp down hard on the guy's member, wrenching it violently from side to side. In agony and desperation, the man grabbed his fork and stabbed the woman in the head until she let go.

stabbed her in the head???

if she was having a fit no amount of stabbing would get her attention!


why not just pry her teeth open off your .. er .. member


then slap her a few times for shits an giggles.

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Originally posted by rez i'd glady hit u chookie

bring it on

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nah i dont like cyber fighting, its almost as bland as cyber sex and cyber stalking.

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Ugh. Another thread I just can't stay out of.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN pussy whipped!!

Opposing violence against women does not make you "pussy-whipped".

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i mean seriously, youre full of bollocks. ask countries like tibet how a policy of non-violence worked out for them. woohoo!

What do relationships between countries have to do with relationships between human beings? Or, if you want to adopt that philosophy, why don't you ask Ghandi how his policy of non-violence worked out for India in their struggle against British imperialism? In any case, from the perspective of the Tibetans, how exactly would a violent uprising against one of the strongest military forces on the planet work in their favour?

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if a chick feels that she has to hit a bloke, good for her. but she has to expect that bloke to defend himself.

This is the problem though: what constitutes self-defence and what constitutes unjustified aggression? If a woman is being violent then the man has the right to protect himself, obviously, and in the more extreme cases this may necessitate the use of force. But even if a man is placed in a situation where he is in danger of being caused physical harm by a woman, he must also be mindful of the fact that he has the capacity (given the physical differences between men and women) to cause a lot more harm to the woman than she could ever cause to him. Given this, while a man has the right to do what he has to in order to protect himself, he does not have the right to blindly use force against the woman just because "she started it". Even if a woman does lash out violently, it does not provide the man carte blanche (hey, trance! ) to lash out violently in return. If the situation can be defused without the use of force, then that is the way it should be handled. If the situation cannot be defused without the use of force, then obviously the man has the right to use force to the extent that it guarantees his protection. It doesn't give him the right to kick the shit out of her, mind, it just gives him the right to use physcial force to prevent her from causing him physical harm.

Note the distinction?

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im not advocating belting them down and stomping on em,but if women and men are ever to be equal, they owe each other an equal duty of care.

I agree, but the boundaries of this "duty of care" are necessarily going to be inequitable because our physical attributes are inequitable. A man hitting a woman shows a greater dereliction of what you call the "duty of care" as men have the potential to cause a lot more physical harm to a woman than women do to men if the situations were reversed. I'm not advocating violence against men, by the way, just pointing out that a man hitting a woman and a woman hitting a man are not "equal" actions.

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whilst id never hit a friend, id have no problems defending myself from some random scrubber intent on doing me harm. any guy that just sits there and takes a beating, just coz the antagonist is a chick is an idiot imo.

No-one would seriously suggest that you have to sit there and take a beating, but there is a big difference between "not taking a beating" and dishing out a beating of your own in my opinion. And I'm not sure what you mean by "defending" youself from a "random scrubber intent on doing [you] harm". Is mere "intent" a good enough reason to cause physical harm to someone else? At what point do you decide that you have the right to hit a woman? When she hits you first? When she looks at you a bit funny? And why is it that your friends exempt from this policy, but random strangers aren't?

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ask any respectable bouncer or polic officer what its like dealing with violent women. sometimes you gotta hit back.

"Sometimes we gotta hit back"? Perhaps, but again only in extreme situations that none of us are likely to find ourselves in. I'm struggling to think of a hypothetical situation in which it would be okay (especially for someone as physically imposing as a bouncer) to start hitting a woman, regardless of how hard she was trying to hit him.

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the feminist movement all but destroyed chivalry, lets get with the times people.

Chivalry may be dead, but morality isn't. Opposing violence against women isn't about antiquated ettiquette, it's about common human decency.

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Originally posted by sikrav Girls seem to think that they are untouchable...but hitting someone is bad no matter if they are a girl or a boy. I have many friends who dont give a fuck and will hit girls. Once me and a mate were waiting for a cab late at night and the cabby saw us but went to pick up a few chicks instead. So we yelled to them to get out of the cab and then they racially abused my mate. He ran over to the cab and pulled one of the chicks out by the hair and then kneed her hard in the face.... i couldnt believe it. And hes a big tongan boy as well. We got out of there pretty quick!

you see this is where it gets messy,

in my eyes, i have no qualms about hitting girls as opposed to a guy.

however i have issues with hitting ANYBODY. i dont like hitting either just as much and will avoid it where i can.

if any of my mates just came up to me and kicked me in the nuts i'd give him a flogging just as quickly as if they were a girl.

everything has to be in context though, for me to hit in the nearly unrestrained sense, i would have to be under quite extreme duress, like being kicked in the nuts. you cant dish out violence to people that don't deserve it.

for me, i never give out violence unless it was given to me, and even then, not more than was given to me.

racism, as bad as it is, i am asian and have been on the ugly end of the racism stick and it does not deserve violence. that was a bit extreme for your friend and shouldn't have done that.

i have to say that even though i have hit girls, its not the same as hitting guys because they are, due to evolution, not as physically substantial as guys and every time i have hit a girl has been in the fleshy parts, a knee to the face, someone would have to be about to kill me before i'd do that.

Renegade, it IS a fine line between self defence and aggression, in the purest form, self defence is to defend yourself from being attacked, what we are talking about here is hitting back, which you're right is agression. i think it really is a grey area, as what most of this is is equality, ie 'youre gonna be in as much pain as i am'. non-agression would be just to take it.

in this case, i dont think it is a matter of resolving a situation, more of a case of being equal at the end. yes this is not the peaceful end, but that may not be what is wanted. if some guy came up and gave you a fist in the street, you may or may not want to clobber him back, its really no different in this situation.

I agree with you though, for some chick to come up and slap you across the face does definitely not give you permission to give her two black eyes. my point of view is, if you're going to hit me and give me pain, expect to have the same amount of pain in return regardless of whether they are girl or guy.

its not the most peaceful way to solve things, and must be kept in context, in the smallest, it may be just a matter of a slap on the arse, and at the other extreme it could be self defence and fighting for your life (regardless of whether you are girl or guy) its a natural instinct.

now, in saying that, i'm not condoning the use of violence at all, in a perfect world, nobody would ever hit me, and then there would be no violence whatsoever, as i NEVER hit anyone first regardless of sex. its a case of treat others as you want to be treated, regardless of sex.

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if a chick feels that she has to hit a bloke, good for her. but she has to expect that bloke to defend himself.

yes, but i'd go further to this comment and change it to:

if a chick feels that she has to hit a bloke, good for her. but she has to expect that bloke not to just take it.

in context though, its all about equality.

think about it, if a guy hit a girl (and she wasnt just shocked) she more than likely would not even think twice about dishing out a belting back. why should it be any different?

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Originally posted by GruVer well, sorry fellas, but i can't stand blokes that hit women full stop whether they deserve it or not ! Really it shouldn't get that far to violence ! Christ, we all go out to meet people and have a great time, but there is always that small percentage who seem to over step the line, male or female ! Guess it's to be expected, as we all have our own morals and personalities ! this isn't aimed directly at anyone in particular, nor is what i've written to be taken offensively. Those who know me, know i'm not that way inclined at all.

no offence taken.

there is the 'gentleman' view of never hit girls, and that is noble and to be respected. this point of view stems from the olden days.

but in this noble world, it would be completely out of the question for a girl to hit a guy, times change, things that are different now, girls ARE hitting guys.

in the past, if a girl did hit a guy, she could be executed. that is where all this way of thinking came from.

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I dont think i could hit a girl kicked in the balls or not. Only if in danger of my life could i force myself to.

If any guy hit my sister, mum, gf for any reason at all....i'd probably blind him and put him in a wheelchair.

heheh this thread is still going on..

in answer to the qn, i don't think it is right for a guy to hit a girl. especially seeing that in most cases the guy is a lot bigger/stronger than the girl. there are much better ways of resolving problems...i don't believe in violence