quote:

Originally posted by TigerClaw The same can be said for UK Progressive, Or Dutch Progressive?

The label seems appropriate because US producers are the ones who pretty much put a stamp and set a mark in this sound.

___________________
::: VOTE FOR PEDRO :::

quote:

Originally posted by Cobalt Which technically speaking, is correct. But it's not very useful for genre wonks. A bit like telling an entymologist "well, they're all butterfiles, why do you bother labeling them?" It's for purposes of communication.

The reason why my tags say trance on them, Cause to me, They have very trancy elements on the tracks, I cant put it as house cause they obviously dont have housey type of vibes on the tracks, When a track is overpowered with trancey synths, I have no choice but to lable how it sounds like to me.

___________________

MarkusSchulz.com Party107.com 160k 32k

quote:

Originally posted by 3xx3r7 I have listened to plenty of Goa/Hardstyle/Hardcore stuff before, I tried to like it but it still sounded horribly to me. It is not like I listened to two-three tracks and put a "bad" label on it. Those people who want to find their favorite genre, will find it. I do not agree with the whole "replacement" concept. There were a whole bunch of threads like this in the past, and the whole "McProg" gets beaten to death. They say that "mcprog" is unoriginal, meanwhile, they are being unoriginal in their criticisms. Same old whining. Kind of being hypocritical, isn't it?

at least someone is reading my posts.

___________________
FAVORITE TRACK AT THE MOMENT :

Summer Sessions - Blossom (Haylon Remix)

quote:

Originally posted by 3xx3r7 Those people who want to find their favorite genre, will find it. I do not agree with the whole "replacement" concept.

No, you miss the point. We already like trance. We aren't trying to find a different genre. We're unhappy with the direction that some are bringing the genre, which seems creative suicide for a very great form of music I hold in high regard. Trance can be much more than what it is currently being marketed as. Sasha understood this.

quote:

There were a whole bunch of threads like this in the past, and the whole "McProg" gets beaten to death. They say that "mcprog" is unoriginal, meanwhile, they are being unoriginal in their criticisms. Same old whining. Kind of being hypocritical, isn't it?

If someone has no argument behind their criticism, then yes, it would be hypocritical. But plenty of the people complaining have legitimate reasons based on their experience with the music over years. It becomes tiresome to type out valid arguments again and again, so it's not really surprising that some would lapse into sarcasm and criticism when no one seems to be taking notice or heed.

quote:

Originally posted by X RichieRich X at least someone is reading my posts.

Actually, I haven't, until after you told me. I usually skipp all the boring debates and hit the reply button to input my $0.02.

___________________
Blip, blip, blip...

quote:

Originally posted by Geoff wow don't even take into consideration the fact that these producers and djs are trying to contribute to the edm community. cuz i see how all of u who are bashing "mcprog" are doing so much to contribute yourself.

That's a poor argument. People do not need to be producers to criticize. You don't need to be a director to criticize a film. It's perfectly within the rights of everyone to do so.

Further, by buying records I like, I am supporting and contributing to the sound I would like to hear. I DJ as well, to promote that sound. You'll find similar circumstances with most people who criticize American prog and ASOT.

quote:

Originally posted by 3xx3r7 P.S. I like your custom title.

Thanks, I realize no one has any obligation to be as obsessive as I am about genre labels. It fit.

quote:

Originally posted by Cobalt That's a poor argument. People do not need to be producers to criticize. You don't need to be a director to criticize a film. It's perfectly within the rights of everyone to do so. Further, by buying records I like, I am supporting and contributing to the sound I would like to hear. I DJ as well, to promote that sound. You'll find similar circumstances with most people who criticize American prog and ASOT.

you just summed up what armin and markus are doing. they are promoting their sound. so if i dont like what you play, i could have the same argument against you correct?

___________________
FAVORITE TRACK AT THE MOMENT :

Summer Sessions - Blossom (Haylon Remix)

where does the term mcprog derive from? i dont quite understand....

quote:

Originally posted by Cobalt No, you miss the point. We already like trance. We aren't trying to find a different genre. We're unhappy with the direction that some are bringing the genre, which seems creative suicide for a very great form of music I hold in high regard. Trance can be much more than what it is currently being marketed as. Sasha understood this.

Creative suicide. I completely disagree. There is a lot of good and original progressive stuff coming out. Well, I guess, it is my unoriginal taste. Although, if in 10 years "underground" trance will sound like DJ Sammy, I will switch sides. So far I don't see that happening. Speaking of marketization, without a little bit of it, trance would be as popular as gabber. Elitist make it sound like it is almost as degradively popular as hip-hop in many places. If it was overly marketed, I would have a lot more friends that like this music.

quote:

If someone has no argument behind their criticism, then yes, it would be hypocritical. But plenty of the people complaining have legitimate reasons based on their experience with the music over years. It becomes tiresome to type out valid arguments again and again, so it's not really surprising that some would lapse into sarcasm and criticism when no one seems to be taking notice or heed.

What is the point to post those arguments over and over and over and over again? To annoy others? Well, it seems to work. Like most of people stated, listen to what you like and don't say that others suck, because they like "mcprog". If I tried to do it against my unfavorable EDM genres, I would have blisters and my fingers from typing and torn vocal cords.

___________________
Blip, blip, blip...

quote:

Originally posted by TigerClaw How about just calling it progressive, Plain and simple.

No offence (I listen to the show, and buy some shultz etc rekkids) but its not progressive.
Its gunna be labelled McProg not because its american, but because its like Mctrance - only slower.
Once again, I believe it has its place and used properly, McProg can be effective - but yeah sorry, the name suits.

___________________
CLICK HERE FOR SOUNDCLOUD