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Originally posted by Vlad I pity you paranoid people.

I pity the cognitively challenged mind-slaves who lack the critical thinking skills necessary for them to fully research all of the available information which would allow them to put it together to form a proper perspective. They can't see the forest for the f*cking trees let alone put together a few pieces of a puzzle that plays out on the world stage on such a regular basis.

Their docile little brains have been so thoroughly ingrained with the erroneous idea that all of the individuals within the various branches of our government are always benevolent and that the corrupt bureaucrats are actually involved in performing good deeds for the sake of all humanity rather than for the sake of their own deeply lined pockets.

Anyway, I guess it's easy to mock what you don't understand, but to me that just seems like an easy way out. It really is pathetic, though - how some people would rather live with such ignorance.

I certainly would attribute such a benevolent sense of righteous indignation as one of the main reasons why some of us have mentally and spiritually evolved (where others have not.) And yes, I'm definitely saying this in the face of such mindless and misplaced ridicule.

Or to put it more succinctly - STFU, you twit!

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Originally posted by Vlad *Swipe ID* - *Swipe fingerprint* - *Officer checks the computer* - Youre clear to go.

The easier to frame you with a crime you didn't commit. Like kiddie porn or molestation.

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I pity you paranoid people.

A government that can't trust it's own citizens is a paranoid one.

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Dutch Biometric Passport Cracked


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posted at http://www.schneier.com/index.html
Two points stand out. One, the RFID chip in the passport can be read from ten meters. Two, lots of predictability in the encryption key -- sloppy, sloppy -- makes the brute-force attack much easier.

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Reading RFID Cards at Yards Away

This article talks about a not-a-passport ID card that U.S. citizens could use to go back and forth between the U.S. and Canada or Mexico. Pretty basic stuff, but this paragraph jumped out:

Officials said the card would be about the size of a credit card, carry a picture of the holder and cost about $50, about half the price of a passport. It will be equipped with radio frequency identification, allowing it to be read from several yards away at border crossings.
more info here:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/01/

Last edited by Dale Gribble on Feb-08-2006 at 20:55

It's cheap and does other things.

That's not by accident.

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for once me n trancer-x are in general agreeance.

theyre trying to pull this in australia too. its bollocks. id like to know where any govt gets the authority to have such an oppressive system in place.

ive always liked to think your average aussie was a tad brighter than your average yank, however recent polls indicating widespread support for the ID cards here makes me question that assumption *shakes head*

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Under the guise of a speedier trip you get more rfid. Wait until it's implantable when people lose their wallet or have it stolen.

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CREDIT KEY MAY END SUBWAY SWIPE GRIPE By JEREMY OLSHAN Tue Jan 31, 6:00 AM ET Straphangers may never have to "please swipe again." This spring some subway riders will get to toss out their MetroCards and zip through turnstiles with a wave of their credit card or key chain. The MTA is teaming up with MasterCard and Citigroup to put "smart card" readers at turnstiles on the 4, 5 and 6 lines in Manhattan, as well as two key outerborough hubs. During a six-month trial paid for by the two companies, Citibank will offer certain customers debit/credit cards and matching key-chain fobs embedded with special chips that can be read by radio frequencies instead of magnetic stripes. If the trial is successful, the MTA would like to expand the technology - or one similar to it - across the transit system, shaving precious seconds off commuting time. MasterCard's PayPass technology works like a regular credit or debit card in terms of billing - but there is no need to sign for purchases under $25. It is mostly in Big Apple drugstores and fast-food restaurants now, but the MTA hopes it will make turnstiles into express lanes. "Transit is the perfect application for this technology, given the speed it can get customers through the turnstile," said Cathleen Conforti, product manager for PayPass. The trial will only be for specially selected customers on the Lexington Avenue line between 125th Street and Bowling Green, as well as Jay Street/Borough Hall in Brooklyn and 23rd Street/Ely Avenue in Long Island City. Riders will still get every sixth ride free but will not be able to make free transfers to buses, which will not be equipped with the new readers. The MTA is considering replacing the often frustrating magnetic-stripe MetroCards with a quicker, more reliable technology, and will use the results of the trial to determine how best to proceed, transit officials said. But the MetroCard isn't about to go the way of the token just yet. "This way we get to learn about, test and see how our customers respond to the new technology at almost no cost to us," said NYC Transit spokesman Paul Fleuranges. Smart cards are already used by transit systems in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and San Francisco. Though radio-frequency identification technology (RFID) has been around for years, transit officials said they wanted to make sure all the kinks were worked out before trusting it to 7 million daily commutes. "People will be happy to give up the swipe," said Beverly Dolinsky, director of the NYC Transit Riders Council. "We've been calling for this for a long time. The greatest benefit will be not on the subways but on buses, which really get slowed down by waiting for the cards to run through." The MTA has also toyed with the idea of a smart card that could be used for purchases other than rides on buses and subways, Fleuranges said. Next month, the Port Authority will begin testing different smart-card readers on the PATH train as part of a joint program with the MTA and NJ Transit. That test - which doesn't use PayPass technology - could one day lead to a universal transit card.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Wait until it's implantable

When it's implantable they won't have to worry about passing new laws like this one:

Actually reported by faux news:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181382,00.html

I'm not as worried about ID Cards as RFIDs and biometric data being store on my license. Are these things really necessary for anything?

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Originally posted by Trancer-X When it's implantable they won't have to worry about passing new laws like this one: Actually reported by faux news: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181382,00.html

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"I think there's enough checks and balances and enough guidelines have been set up by the courts that we will follow," said Michael Weinman, legal liaison for the Columbus, Ohio, police department.

The USA PATRIOT Act allows for sneak and peak searches. Quite the opposite of what he is refering. Ain't that just like a polictician. Assuring the masses as he shakes your right hand he lifts your wallet with the left.

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Originally posted by tribu I'm not as worried about ID Cards as RFIDs and biometric data being store on my license. Are these things really necessary for anything?

It could be used for anything from your consumer habits to a wet wire human interface on a global scale. The network which you and I are currently using is already in place.

Google Search for Brain Machine Interface Look for anything mentioning DARPA founders of DARPAnet predecessor to the internet.

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Last edited by ogvh5150 on Feb-01-2006 at 07:34

I understand what it could be used for, but what I'm saying is, does the government really need all that to do it's job?

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Originally posted by tribu I understand what it could be used for, but what I'm saying is, does the government really need all that to do it's job?

Of course not!!! Why do you think that we're so pissed off?

F**k those fascists, especially when they drape themselves in my country's flag!

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Of course not!!! Why do you think that we're so pissed off? F**k those fascists, especially when they drape themselves in my country's flag!

You mean this one?

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