That said, I think it's worth taking a look at the historical circumstances that surround this practice. I've mentioned this in other threads: marriage originated as a western practice for men to be able to keep property among their family lines. When men and women married, all of her possesions became his property and thus she became his property. So in that circumstance it totally made sense to take the man's last name- the woman came under his care.
hmm sounds fishy, any source for this?
I don't think marriage started as a western practice either
Mar-04-2005 17:39
mercure
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Location: submerged in the dark places beneath the earth
I plan never to get married, or have kids. But, if I did marry I would be opposed to having my wife take my last name - marriage doesn't strip a woman of her identity, history or heritage, nor does it make her an adjunct of her husband or a piece of property. If I did have children I wouldn't feel strongly about whose name they had; it could alternate, or maybe we could arm-wrestle for it...
Mar-04-2005 17:39
drgoodvibe
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Registered: Mar 2003
Location: In the flash
quote:
Originally posted by mercure
marriage doesn't strip a woman of her identity, history or heritage, nor does it make her an adjunct of her husband or a piece of property. If I did have children I wouldn't feel strongly about whose name they had; it could alternate, or maybe we could arm-wrestle for it...
I share the same view, though I do realize that one day I will marry - just not anytime soon - my future wife can keep her name without any problem. I'm all for the arm-wrestling idea to figure out how the kids end up .
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If I get married again I will be keeping my last name
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Mar-04-2005 18:07
starshine
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Location: Winston Salem, NC
...yes i would...and i did...
Just because I changed my last name doesn't change anything about my family or where I've come from....and it doesn't mean he "owns" me
(although he might like to think so.....
haha...no really, just kidding...)
We've started a new life together...and will one day have our own family together...with the same last name...
....i dunno..maybe i'm just old school...but that was my choice
(and andrea.....i'm sure we could come up with some last name that's worse than yours!!)
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Mar-04-2005 21:44
AdReNaLiNa
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Registered: Oct 2003
Location: in mah cubicle
I would take the guy's name if it was easier to pronounce than mine
[borat] I had a wife, but she died. So now I look for vaGEEN. [/borat]
Mar-04-2005 22:46
charmscars
tri-squad bitch
Registered: Oct 2002
Location: GTA
quote:
Originally posted by bass drive
hmm sounds fishy, any source for this?
I don't think marriage started as a western practice either
It's in a sociology text book from a class i took un 3rd year undergrad, there's an enture chapter on it, next time i go to my parents i can dig up the source for you if you are really interested in learning more- it's actually pretty interesting.The chapter was extremely interesting in that it talked about how the damily dynamic was historically not a nuturing unit, children dressed as mini-adults and were treated as such, there wasn't a lot of doting and such. If you contrast this w/ native culture, the ppl were more affectionate. the functioned as tribes rather than families, they didn't care about paternity b/c the whole group raised all the tribe's children and native didn't think about things in terms of ownership of property and land.
Mar-05-2005 02:27
Jayx1
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Location: The Socialist People's Republic Of Canada
aaaah........ university sociology classes. A completely non-biased, apolitical way to learn about society.....
bahahahahahhahaha
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Mar-05-2005 02:36
charmscars
tri-squad bitch
Registered: Oct 2002
Location: GTA
quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
aaaah........ university sociology classes. A completely non-biased, apolitical way to learn about society.....
bahahahahahhahaha
so what's the better way to learn about the past outside of university sociology and history classes?