just to take the argument off at a tangent...

take the analagy one step furthur to pop music. so pop is dying because singers mime live at times?

tell you, they are a good fair few million quid better off than me

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Originally posted by PlasticSoul I prefer a dj using ableton and mixing perfectly than hear a dj trainwrecking with vinil and decks.. it's all about the incoming sounds...

Yeah, and I'd rather watch a machine launch baseballs out of a stadium all night instead of seeing nine men out on a field exhibiting truley amazing athletic ability . It's not just about the sound you hear, it's about seeing a performance. When you hear an unbelieveable set at a party and you know that there was some person up there doing all that, it just makes it that much better.

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Originally posted by KristineClub Yeah, and I'd rather watch a machine launch baseballs out of a stadium all night instead of seeing nine men out on a field exhibiting truley amazing athletic ability . It's not just about the sound you hear, it's about seeing a performance. When you hear an unbelieveable set at a party and you know that there was some person up there doing all that, it just makes it that much better.

Djs who use ableton put on a performance to, i dont think uve ever seen a good ableton live dj so you cant really comment.

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Originally posted by KristineClub Yeah, and I'd rather watch a machine launch baseballs out of a stadium all night instead of seeing nine men out on a field exhibiting truley amazing athletic ability . It's not just about the sound you hear, it's about seeing a performance. When you hear an unbelieveable set at a party and you know that there was some person up there doing all that, it just makes it that much better.

Post of the fucking year...you're retarded.

There is 1000x more skill involved in making a set in Ableton if you are actually using the program. Beatmatching two records takes fuck all ability. Making quick loops, edits, playing 4-5 tracks at the same time with 20 or so samples, working the effects simultaneously, and making it sound GOOD takes some skill.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

Well, I guess I was referring more to the comment someone made about a computer playing a perfect, pre-recorded set or something like that. And no, I've never used Abelton or seen a dj use Abelton live so I really can't say anything about it.

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Originally posted by KristineClub Well, I guess I was referring more to the comment someone made about a computer playing a perfect, pre-recorded set or something like that. And no, I've never used Abelton or seen a dj use Abelton live so I really can't say anything about it.

Okay, point taken...but the DJ's using Ableton right now are, AFAIK not doing any pre-recorded crap. You can do the same popping a CD into a CDJ and pretending you're mixing...Cokenfold has done it.

Ableton offers a creative edge that exceeds CDJ/Vinyl, and if you cant understand that then you have obviously never used the program.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by KristineClub Yeah, and I'd rather watch a machine launch baseballs out of a stadium all night instead of seeing nine men out on a field exhibiting truley amazing athletic ability . It's not just about the sound you hear, it's about seeing a performance. When you hear an unbelieveable set at a party and you know that there was some person up there doing all that, it just makes it that much better.

When you hear an ubelievable set at a party, its the sum of a lot of work by a lot of producers. The DJ merely plays the records/cds. That argument works both ways.

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Originally posted by Hypersky When you hear an ubelievable set at a party, its the sum of a lot of work by a lot of producers. The DJ merely plays the records/cds. That argument works both ways.

I see what you're saying but what fun would a party be if a guy was up there just playing records and cd singles and waiting until each track is completely finished before he puts the next one on? It wouldn't really matter how great the music was, the party would still blow. Without DJs the producers are nothing and vice versa.

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Originally posted by starglider Get used to it, vinyl is dying.

z0mg u n00bl4r, teh best sk33lz r using viiiinyyylzzzzzzzzzz0rrr

(btw I agree with you!)

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Social outcasts are often of the opinion that they must have a drink before being able to loosen up with their inhibitions, thus being able to have a good time. There's a word that sums up this sort of behaviour, and that word is 'reject.'

Last weekend I saw one of the sydneys local psy DJs, Ming bash out a laptop set and it fucking killed so hard. He was taking tracks and cutting them up like you wouldnt believe. As soon as I recognised a track, it was back into another one. Everything was precisely spot on (I guess cos he wasnt beatmixing) and the fx were flying all over the shop and pretty well placed. His interaction with the crowd wasnt huge, since he was working hard, but people were in such a frenzy that no one gave a shit.

I think with the right music... breaks/psy/electro an ableton set can open up a lot of possibilities for mashups and just general beat chopping mayhem. If your just fading track after track for your whole set as you would if you were mixing stright trance, then yeah... you might aswell atleast use CDJs so it atleast looks like your doing something up there.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle i hate it when people bitch and whine about ableton and such like as if beatmatching is the only thing that seperates a good dj from a bad one.

I hate it how everyone now seems to jump on the Ableton bandwagon as if it is the next best thing since sliced bread and simply hate on vinyls and vinyl dj's. "Damn, Sasha stopped spinning vinyls, so his decision MUST be the law of the land and therefore I will stop using vinyls and directly hate on them." I do like Sasha, but this is getting ridiculous. It's seems like now if a dj doesn't use the 50 million piece equipment setup with Ableton, Final Scratch, CDJ's, turntables, and an EFX unit, but instead chooses to use only vinyl, then they are automatically shit and boring. That's the immediate impression I get from many users on these boards after having read through a few threads on this topic and frankly, that quite pisses me off since I'm a vinyl dj by choice and I honestly can't understand why so many people seem to talk this way.

I think a good dj is a good dj, no matter what media format or equipment is used. You can be a great dj and use the bare-bones vinyl setup or be a great dj and use the Zabiela/Sasha setup. You can also be a crap dj and use vinyl or be a crap dj and use Ableton or whatever. The above applies to both technical aspects as well as track selection and flow. What matters to me at the end of the day is the music and if I can enjoy myself and dance nicely to it. If a dj can throw down an awesome set with the best tracks and flow, then I'm good to go regardless of what equipment and media they use. Sure, there is something unique about seeing a dj spin vinyl, but if they can't throw down a set I can get into, then it really doesn't impress me if they are using Ableton or not because the music being played is not to my liking.

Oh, as for the "vinyls are dying" comments, I don't think so for a little while yet. I think as far as new and future releases, vinyl might be on its way out with cd singles and digital downloads taking over the record store shelves in its place. However, for existing vinyls and older records, then no, vinyls will still hang around due to certain tracks not ever seeing the light of day on anything except vinyl. What about those record labels that went belly up and their whole catalog was released as 12" records? Obviously, those tracks will never see a proper digial audio release if this is the case, unless the end user rips the vinyl to .wav or .mp3 format, which I feel is a complete waste of time since you can just spin the original record. Also, some labels may not see the financial gains to release their back catalogue and newer tracks on cd/digital media, so records might be the only solution.

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the artform is merely evolving
people are taking it to the next level
it takes skill and technical ability no matter what medium you use
adding or switching to new gear just gives the artist new choices and added sources
plus vinyl is expensive, both to cut and purchase

i for one get tired of the old, beatmatch, mix, repeat you get with records

as long as the tunes are pumpin and people are goovin, i don't see a problem
people forget that a dj is there to play music, you're there to dance

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