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Originally posted by JenniferRene ciò è dove ero nato ho molta famiglia lí è una vergogna che ho mosso lontano

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another hijacked topic....


I believe that technology has had its chances to leave vinyl behind before...

I also believe that this time it will really push vinyl to the side...but the die hards will still use and only play vinyl.

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Originally posted by Bob_Motamedi another hijacked topic.... I believe that technology has had its chances to leave vinyl behind before... I also believe that this time it will really push vinyl to the side...but the die hards will still use and only play vinyl.

Yes either until we die...or lose that VAS (in my sig )

let's face it. vinyl has its limits. some creative DJs are skilled enough to take these limits and find ways to overcome them, but there are still limits. Ableton has limits as well...but we have yet to find them. cliched as the phrase is, the possibilities are endless

people need to try it before they knock it. while a few haters have, MOST HAVNE'T. this awesome music has no room for ignorance! it chaps my ass to think that some people don't respect ableton users, just b/c they don't understand how to use the fucking technology.

w/ regards to laptop DJing not "looking cool" or laptop DJs not doing anything to pump up the crowd, fuck that shit. i don't need to slam a button or whatever to get pumped up. true, the rituals aren't the same for the different mediums, but we'll find our own ways to channel the energy.

so how 'bout dem apples?

No doubt that a laptop performance with dj software(ex:ableton live) would be amazing, creative, perfect, ...

In my opinion, djing is a skill that needs a developed ear for music which is able to mix music Live. No matter how perfect the mixes with laptops are they are not truely live. With ableton for example, you can preview and fix your mix, before the audience hears it, and the beats are always matched in time, therefore, minimizing errors and risks. When risks are completely taken away from an act it can not be called a live performance/set anymore. It takes the energy of the crowd away knowing that the performer can not make any mistakes with that laptop the whole time and that the mixes are pre-recorded and previewed, in comparison to knowing that the performer has the SKILLS to prevent those mistakes from happening and he is doing it live in front of your eyes and not (1 min or whatever before).

If we consider no difference between an Actual DJ and a Laptop performer, next thing you know is that little by little the digital laptop would not only do the beatmatching and keeping it perfectly in time, but it also suggests track selection and mixing templates that you can choose from and then it will all get automatic. So would we then call that really djing ?

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Originally posted by DJ_Sudden No doubt that a laptop performance with dj software(ex:ableton live) would be amazing, creative, perfect, ... In my opinion, djing is a skill that needs a developed ear for music which is able to mix music Live. No matter how perfect the mixes with laptops are they are not truely live. With ableton for example, you can preview and fix your mix, before the audience hears it, and the beats are always matched in time, therefore, minimizing errors and risks. When risks are completely taken away from an act it can not be called a live performance/set anymore. It takes the energy of the crowd away knowing that the performer can not make any mistakes with that laptop the whole time and that the mixes are pre-recorded and previewed, in comparison to knowing that the performer has the SKILLS to prevent those mistakes from happening and he is doing it live in front of your eyes and not (1 min or whatever before). If we consider no difference between an Actual DJ and a Laptop performer, next thing you know is that little by little the digital laptop would not only do the beatmatching and keeping it perfectly in time, but it also suggests track selection and mixing templates that you can choose from and then it will all get automatic. So would we then call that really djing ?

I'm still looking for that function in Ableton where you can preview a live mix before it happens. Unless the entire set is pre-recorded, AFAIK you cant change anything.

FYI the DJ's currently using Live at gigs (Sasha/G&D) mix all their tracks LIVE right in front of you...there is no pre-recording going on.

Have you ever used Ableton live? Because it doesnt sound like it...

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 I'm still looking for that function in Ableton where you can preview a live mix before it happens. Unless the entire set is pre-recorded, AFAIK you cant change anything. FYI the DJ's currently using Live at gigs (Sasha/G&D) mix all their tracks LIVE right in front of you...there is no pre-recording going on. Have you ever used Ableton live? Because it doesnt sound like it...

im also looking for that setting :P, if we had a controller id be a bit easier though...



/me goes back to trainwrecking on live.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 I'm still looking for that function in Ableton where you can preview a live mix before it happens. Unless the entire set is pre-recorded, AFAIK you cant change anything. FYI the DJ's currently using Live at gigs (Sasha/G&D) mix all their tracks LIVE right in front of you...there is no pre-recording going on. Have you ever used Ableton live? Because it doesnt sound like it...

I just got it, but haven't played yet. Read the manual partially and I have to say the 5 has alot of features. Don't get me wrong I love technology and accept the fact that it's way more amazing, and gives you endless possibilities. But there is no room for error. you can master that thing just by reading the manual and a lil bit of practice. I think laptops are perfect for big performances, where there should be no error. Personally I just don't like that idea of going everything with a laptop, I don't see any particalar skills needed.

They mix LIVE, but do you agree that there is a alot more time to perfect a mix and you are able to see it? maybe you can even start the next mix right after? wouldn't that be pre-recorded/pre-done ?

The true abstract skill of DJing lies in track selection, which Ableton does not help with. Thats what seperates the bedroom/local DJs with the big boys. Mixing has very little to do with it in the end - its the unique ability to create atmosphere with great tracks.

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Originally posted by DJ_Sudden No matter how perfect the mixes with laptops are they are not truely live. With ableton for example, you can preview and fix your mix, before the audience hears it, and the beats are always matched in time, therefore, minimizing errors and risks. When risks are completely taken away from an act it can not be called a live performance/set anymore. It takes the energy of the crowd away knowing that the performer can not make any mistakes with that laptop the whole time and that the mixes are pre-recorded and previewed, in comparison to knowing that the performer has the SKILLS to prevent those mistakes from happening and he is doing it live in front of your eyes and not (1 min or whatever before).

imagine 20 years ago when DJing was first being considered an art form. cynics probably said, "this takes no talent. all they're doing is playing other peoples pre-recorded music. this isn't live, there's no musical talent involved here. the DJs are not the ones actually playing the instruments. there's no risk, how can a DJ screw up something that's been pre-recorded? its brainless, blah blah blah".

sounds silly to us now, b/c we realize that there is an artform in DJing. a jazz band playing live in front of an audience and a DJ playing for a crowd is two different styles of music, two different ways of presenting music. one doesn't deserve less credit than the other. DIFFERENT DOES NOT MEAN UNSKILLED.

when people use the term "live" w/ regards to DJing, its a bit of an oxymoron, because of course it isn't "live". all the music has been created in a studio.

because of the very fact that these musicians (DJs) don't have to worry about playing all these other instruments LIVE means that they can focus on other things: track selection, emotional flow, mixing and mashing.

the same goes for ableton: if DJs dont have to worry about beat-matching or other limits of vinyl, they can focus on the music, and create works that are completely unique.

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Originally posted by buchnaner when people use the term "live" w/ regards to DJing, its a bit of an oxymoron, because of course it isn't "live". all the music has been created in a studio. because of the very fact that these musicians (DJs) don't have to worry about playing all these other instruments LIVE means that they can focus on other things: track selection, emotional flow, mixing and mashing. the same goes for ableton: if DJs dont have to worry about beat-matching or other limits of vinyl, they can focus on the music, and create works that are completely unique.

you have a really good point