Better not to Americanise the European sports. American system would never work in Europe

And i doubt that football fans would lose interest in football becouse the big club win the title over and over again

Well why dont we just get rid of the teams which arent in the big cities , get rid of relegation and promotion, select the best players out of teams from London and create only one team, get rid of the 3 man substitution and bring unlimited subs , rename football clubs to soccer teams , give football teams idiotic names like London Rockets or Liverpool Pubchewers , get rid of the Barclays premier league and rename it to National Soccer League and get an event called Super Plate then i guess footy would be more exiting ?!

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Originally posted by hardstyle They have the champions league for that

Yes but until the first elimination round you'll normally only have 2 interesting team in each group.

Wouldn't it be great to see games like Real vs Juventus, Chelsea vs Bayern Munich and Barcelona vs Manu every week?

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And i doubt that football fans would lose interest in football becouse the big club win the title over and over again

I'm allready losing interest.


It looks like Barca, Lyon, Chelsea, Juventus and Munich will win their national championships 4 or 5 gamedays before the season is over.

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Originally posted by hardstyle Well why dont we just get rid of the teams which arent in the big cities , get rid of relegation and promotion, select the best players out of teams from London and create only one team, get rid of the 3 man substitution and bring unlimited subs , rename football clubs to soccer teams , give football teams idiotic names like London Rockets or Liverpool Pubchewers , get rid of the Barclays premier league and rename it to National Soccer League and get an event called Super Plate then i guess footy would be more exiting ?!

Naming the teams "Cowboys", "Yankees", "Sharks" or "Canadians" has a positive influence on selling shirts and other marketing stuff in the USA.

In Europe people buy boring shirts with advertising on it from teams that have boring names and logos.


And it's allready the situation that only teams from big cities with big markets have a lot of money and success. So why don't take these super teams and let them play against each other the whole year instead of only having 13 champions league games of the favourite club.

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Originally posted by Rockabye Yes but until the first elimination round you'll normally only have 2 interesting team in each group. Wouldn't it be great to see games like Real vs Juventus, Chelsea vs Bayern Munich and Barcelona vs Manu every week?

So do you think Europeans are so rich so they can travel to other countries every week to watch a football game ?

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Originally posted by Rockabye I'm allready losing interest. It looks like Barca, Lyon, Chelsea, Juventus and Munich will win their national championships 4 or 5 gamedays before the season is over.

ok you the only one who does. I been watching football for 20 years and since i moved to America i still watch football, i dont watch American sports on the tely

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Originally posted by Rockabye If I look at Bayern Munich, there bench players are more worthful than the top 11 of half of the Bundesliga.

Why is that exactly a problem? They're there because they signed a contract to and get paid a lot, so no sympathy from my side. And anyway, nowadays most players get pissed off and make a big scene if they stay 2 months without a place in the 1st eleven..

I guess your points is that we must spread the good players between all teams, as well as the shit ones? Well this way you're never going to see a great team.. that's just some sort of communism where mediocricity would spread over every squad.

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Of course there are some surprises but some teams will in fact never win the title. A lot of teams will a always play in the last 1/3 of the league and try to stay in the league.

Just consider something: in America the leagues are closed and composed of 20 teams or so. In Europe every club pyramid system has hundreds, thousands of teams. So no wonder some will always be shit. But it gives an opportunity to everyone and makes it "official", where in America it just looks like a private club and no-one gets a chance of entering it. This can be pretty much generalized to all the arguments you've made for the american system: i much prefer liberal regulations open to everyone to restrict severely controlled leagues.

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While the top teams get more and more money out of TV Deals most teams stay at the same level and so the gap between the rich teams and the poorer ones will become bigger and bigger.

This phenomenon seemed more serious a couple years ago when record transfer fees were multiplying like crazy. Nowadays even the big ones lose money so eventually they'll crash if they don't watch themselves. I don't think TV deals are as harsh as you're making them to be, just the fact a certain team spends a whole season in top league can make loads of revenue (in the top leagues, as in Portugal pretty much everyone is certain to just raise debt)

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I don't think that we will have many surprises in the big europeans leagues in the next years and some day the fans will loose their intereset in this sport if only the same teams play for championship.

Lose interest in the sport? That has never happened, so why now? There have been some awfully boring dominating forces in the past. And by the way the Champions League just had 2 completely surprising winners the past 2 seasons - I believe the current format is excellent for that.

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Montreal Canadians, New York Yankees, Green Bay Packers, Pittsburgh Steelers, Dallas Cowboys, San Francisco 49ers, Boston Celtics, Los Angeles Lakers...these teams have so much tradition all european clubs can only dream about. For a season ticket of the Green Bay Packers you have to wait 30 years on the waiting list!!!

All european clubs can only dream about?! That's a little bit of an over-statement! All those clubs you've mentioned before (Barcelona, Milan, ...) have tons of tradition. Personally I've never heard of Montreal Canadians, Green Bay Pakcers and Dallas Cowboys. The Steelers I've heard of them for the first time the day the last Superbowl went live.

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I like the american transfer market too. Instead of buying players out of teams with money they mostly trade them for other players or future draft picks. This would give smaller european teams a chance to trade their talented youth players for some older good ones. Normally they get money but with this money they couldn't buy stars because these stars would't sign for smaller clubs in province.

I don't like this system, but it might just be a consequence of the absolute nightmare it was playing in the MLS in Football Manager. What would the clubs do to their money? Doesn't this restrict the clubs' signing options a bit?

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I know this is an idea most people won't like, but in my opinion it would be the best thing if the biggest european clubs form some european super league. Chelsea, Manu, Arsenal, Liverpool, Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus, AC Milan, Inter Mailand and some others have much more money than the rest of their national league teams. Putting the 30 top teams in Europe in one league and having them play against each other with some play-offs at the end of the season instead of the national cups would make the league more even and more exciting...

Now for this I'm really against. And it doesn't make sense at all to me considering your previous arguments. What you're defending there is a huge monster of TV revenues that would make the rich clubs much, much richer. But what really puzzles me is how in hell would this fit with the current system? Drop the big teams from their national leagues?! Do you have any idea how many matches players already make per season, and how many matches would such a competition mean per season as well? Do you realise this kind of big league system minimises surprises as opposite to knockout systems? And how would the qualification for this league work? Closed system as in America?! That would be unbelievably unfair to the other million clubs out there!

Champions League currently is perfect already and features already enough big name teams.. please leave it as it is.

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Originally posted by Rockabye Naming the teams "Cowboys", "Yankees", "Sharks" or "Canadians" has a positive influence on selling shirts and other marketing stuff in the USA. In Europe people buy boring shirts with advertising on it from teams that have boring names and logos. And it's allready the situation that only teams from big cities with big markets have a lot of money and success. So why don't take these super teams and let them play against each other the whole year instead of only having 13 champions league games of the favourite club.

Boring names ? Feyenoord, Barcelona, Ajax, Liverpool, West Ham, Bayern, Deportivo La Coruna arent boring, i found American sport shirts dull and uninteresting. Shirt with the number on 5 different places? Are these peoples stupid to remebr the number so they need it everywhere

By the way, having 5 matches on a Man Utd-Juventus level every week would be an absolute overkill and make them stupidly vulgar. Why do you think the World Cup is so special? Because it's played every 4 years, not every week!

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i think that super league would get really boring after 2 years if it has the same 20 teams