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Zombie0915
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I usually think of break beat as hip hop for robots. It all kinda has a rap like asthetic to it, but the more cerebral relaxing or trancy things which also happen to have some breakbeats in them seem to fall under a different genre. Breaks brings about images like this one:
they use the empasis on beat as the separation for their category, stuff which happens to have breakbeats, but the beats are not the main focus of the tune, goes into some other category that is largely defined by whatever is the main focus of that tune. I would say breaks are defiend by obsession with the breakbeat, but tunes which just happen to have some breaks in them dont neccesarily belong in that category.
Most genres carry this pattern, of being defined by the main emphasis of the tune, while also carrying elements that come from other genres.
But there are alot of tunes with breaks in them that breakbeat fans refuse to claim, much in the same way progressive fans refuse to claim markus shulz. A same parretn in DnB where some pieces of music cannabalize those really quick and distinct drums but for whatever reason arent typically acknowleged as being part of the genre. If you want to fit in the genre you really have to emphasize the main elements of it, or else you risk the genre refusing to claim you.
I guess in EDM though, genres seem to be defined soley by how they use drums and basses, the dominant POV seems to give those a much higher priority than anything else.
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SYSTEM-J
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Mar-31-2006 20:29 
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SYSTEM-J
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| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Well duh. Breakbeat is the most defining character. If there wasn't a breakbeat there it wouldn't be breakbeat. Simple enough for you? Or would you like to continue your nitpicking? |
Not all tracks with breakbeats are part of Breaks. That's simple fact. How you can even argue otherwise is beyond me. Is Orbital's Chime a Breaks track? No. Of course not. Nobody defines genres like that.
Breaks is part of the Hip-hop tree. It's built from loops and use of samples. Zombie0915 pointed this out well.
| quote: | | To be trance it would have to have a straight beat. It does not. Therefore it is not trance. Trancey breaks yes, trance no. |
Why must it? It has every feature of trance barring the four on the floor. It does not sound like something from the tree of Hip-hop, it sounds like trance sounds, only with a breakbeat. No genre is defined by the type of beat it uses. There may be a sub-genre called Breakbeat Trance, but all its musical influences, characteristics and trends barring the beat are taken from trance. Trance is dominant, it's part of trance.
| quote: | | "Everybody but me is wrong!" |
That's a clever way of saying "I have no argument here". You might even have convinced yourself that you're right. If you have nothing to say, then just give it up.
| quote: | | It's called a discussion forum because you're supposed to discuss here. It's not called "arguing for argument's sake" forum. I guess the skill of discussion only comes with age, it's something that cannot be taught. |
Why did you correct him initially? Why bother saying "it's breaks"? What was the point? Nothing. It was for the sake of continuing the thread. I disagreed with your post as you did with his. If I'm arguing for the sake of it, so were you.
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Mar-31-2006 20:37
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Mr.Mystery
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| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Not all tracks with breakbeats are part of Breaks. That's simple fact. How you can even argue otherwise is beyond me. Is Orbital's Chime a Breaks track? No. Of course not. Nobody defines genres like that. |
What is Chime if not breakbeat?
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Breaks is part of the Hip-hop tree. It's built from loops and use of samples. Zombie0915 pointed this out well. |
No, that's only one part of it. There are more than enough breakbeat tracks that use no samples at all. You're describing instrumental hip hop.
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Why must it? It has every feature of trance barring the four on the floor. It does not sound like something from the tree of Hip-hop, it sounds like trance sounds, only with a breakbeat. No genre is defined by the type of beat it uses. There may be a sub-genre called Breakbeat Trance, but all its musical influences, characteristics and trends barring the beat are taken from trance. Trance is dominant, it's part of trance. |
Since when has there been trance with irregular beats or no beats at all? That's like saying melodic chillout is beatless trance. 4/4 beat is a very defining character in trance, like it or not.
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That's a clever way of saying "I have no argument here". You might even have convinced yourself that you're right. If you have nothing to say, then just give it up. |
Quite funny hearing that from a guy who's had no standing arguments whatsoever and repeated the same lines over and over. The "lazy tits" just happen to be everyone but you. You're more or less alone with your argument.
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Why did you correct him initially? Why bother saying "it's breaks"? What was the point? Nothing. It was for the sake of continuing the thread. I disagreed with your post as you did with his. If I'm arguing for the sake of it, so were you. |
I was correcting an error he made. That's not arguing for the sake of it. However, making ridiculous claims and failing to admit being wrong is.
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Mar-31-2006 20:49 
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SYSTEM-J
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester
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| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
What is Chime if not breakbeat? |
It has breakbeats, but I'd call it Melodic Techno or just Old-Skool Rave.
| quote: | | No, that's only one part of it. There are more than enough breakbeat tracks that use no samples at all. You're describing instrumental hip hop. |
No I'm not. Instrumental hip-hop is the likes of DJ Shadow. Not the Plump DJs and Adam Freeland.
Oh, and a sample doesn't automatically mean a sample from another record. A sample can be a sound or musical element, whether taken from somewhere else or composed. A short snatch that is repeated throughout the loop.
| quote: | | Since when has there been trance with irregular beats or no beats at all? That's like saying melodic chillout is beatless trance. 4/4 beat is a very defining character in trance, like it or not. |
So if a track has a 4/4 kick it is trance and if it has a break it isn't? Where does that leave all other 4/4 kickdrums genres? Trance is not defined by the type of beat. That's just the most common beat used in trance. Even since the beginning, trance has made use of irregular beat patterns. Trance with breakbeats does not lose all connections to its parent genre and go join the all-scratching, all-samples Breaks family.
| quote: | | Quite funny hearing that from a guy who's had no standing arguments whatsoever and repeated the same lines over and over. The "lazy tits" just happen to be everyone but you. You're more or less alone with your argument. |
That's because you haven't answered those lines. You're just making an utterly stupid claim. JakeC was the first guy to say that the mix wasn't Breaks. His post is exactly what I'm saying. Zombie0915 didn't exactly side with you. So who is on your side?
| quote: | | I was correcting an error he made. That's not arguing for the sake of it. However, making ridiculous claims and failing to admit being wrong is. |
You have yet to give a reason which isn't stupid why your correction is valid fact and my correction isn't. Until then, all your petty attacks at how I'm arguing or even my motive are window-dressing. You can try and pull my argument down, but unless you can answer it you're just pissing into the wind.
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Mar-31-2006 21:01
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SYSTEM-J
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Mar-31-2006 21:04
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