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Originally posted by Abercrombie I've been around that long, and know very well what was available and what was in it, thanks. I never said buy from asians. I said who now manufactures and distributes it. I won't go any further on this topic in this forum, but feel free to spark up a chat with me at Decadence or whenever.

75% or 75mg?
75mg is about what was reported as average around the end of 1999 (and likely in 2000 as well). You may have had pills weighting at 100mgs, that seems a little light to me given the average pills weights between 200mg and 350mg on the higher end (I acknowlede that there were reports of pills coming out of the Los Angeles area that weighed as low as 156mg spring 2005, so I do know they can be smaller that what I stated), if yours were different then I appologize and take this time to confirm what you said. I'm not trying to be a dick but rather trying to understand your angle. honestly.
150mg of mdma is what was reported as average in 1994.
To feel the effects most people require about 100- 125mg of MDMA. (roughly the content of a bit more than one pill these days)
I've been around the 'culture' for a long time too and have done my homework including a degree focusing heavily on neuro biopsycholoy and have also had friends who were doing things (besides consumption) that they should not have been back then. I understand if you don't want to say anything more on a public forum so we can continue this chat some other time.
To clear up a few other comments from other people:
For the other peoples comments on shape, size and colour... they mean shit (as someone else already pointed out). The market is often flooded with copy cat pills within 2 to 3 weeks of good ones gaining a reputation. It only takes a second or third year knowledge of organic chem and a bit of extra homework to gain the know how to make pills. It can be difficult to get a stamp press and the other required tools but not impossible and many different labs have sets of the same press and often change to different ones themselves to confuse police as to the origins of the pills by the time they hit the streets. There was even a rather large lab in the GTA shut down in May 2003 sizing 11.1 million dollars worth of drugs including 284,000 pills and 3 pill presses.
The rumours about pills being cut with herion or coke are completely unfounded, (not ness stated here but I've heard it up come up at wemf and other events lots, even bone headed dealers trying to sound like thier product is awesome). the only reason producers cut pills with non pure substances is to save on cost. both herion and coke are significantly more expensive per mg than mdma is. If you get visuals during your highs it points towards the main ingredient being MDA. MDMA has no visual side effects and has a very clean come down and the high generally lasts for less time in contrast.
There are also a hand full of other chemicals related to mdma that are frequently subsituted for it, such as DXM (often found in small quantities in cough syrup), MDE, MBDB and PMA. MDA and DXM can also increase your risk of increased body temp compared to MDMA.
'E' generally now refers to pills thought to contain at least trace elements of MDMA but not considered to be pure. ie they are cut with something else. if you are lucky when buying E it is MDMA and a clean cut of speed serving as your upper (or ephedrine or caffine better yet). the sketchyer (yeah I'm using it as a word) feeling comes from the non pure elements and often from being cut with substances such as crystal.
PMA is Highly toxic and has resulted in 9 deaths in the United States, and has been known to be sold in the Toronto afterhours scene a few years back. The testing kit I linked to below can help with it's detection. Why some of this shit ever found its way into the designer drug market I have no idea and I hope it stays out now.
non pure mdma pills are often cut with methamphetamine, caffeine, ephedrine and speed to produce the energy feeling. Pills have also been recorded with mixtures of ketamine and pcp found them in addition to above mentioned substances. Pure pills will generally make you want to sit in a corner and chill rather than force you to dance your ass off (think of the chill out room at a Hullabaloo cuddle puddle compared to the guy dancing front and center all night to speedcore as extreme examples). The taste is a good indicator short of a testing kit (which can purchased at http://dancesafe.org/documents/druginfo/testingkits.php ). It should be very bitter and smell like sassafras due to the use of it in the synthesis process.

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Originally posted by Lightshow i wear sunglasses for the same reason everybody wears them in a club. 1: people look cool in sunglasses 2: it gets awefully bright as the night progresses

*nusty does not wear sunglasses at night, they make it hard to see and you could trip

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/\/\/\ very nice. I'm glad there are some people around here that really know whats going on.

Edit: too much misinformation is never a good thing.

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Originally posted by Hantu For sure, but one that you can say for sure though is that you'll watch yourself more carefully. Which is all that I'm saying. If everyone dropping watched how much they were taking do you think that this would make the news as it does now?

agree with you there on the news part and the rest

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Originally posted by nusty If you get visuals during your highs it points towards the main ingredient being MDA. MDMA has no visual side effects and has a very clean come down and the high generally lasts for less time in contrast. 'E' generally now refers to pills thought to contain at least trace elements of MDMA but not considered to be pure. ie they are cut with something else. if you are lucky when buying E it is MDMA and a clean cut of speed serving as your upper (or ephedrine or caffine better yet). the sketchyer (yeah I'm using it as a word) feeling comes from the non pure elements and often from being cut with substances such as crystal.

The pills I have been using have been exactly like you describe above. A high of 2-3 hours, no seeing stuff, etc...and a gradual come down. But the "pure mdma capsule" I took on NYE was, although similar, just far too intense. I DID see some weird stuff...wavy lines and everything looked like it was on an angle or something. I woke up still very buzzed and the lathargy lasted for over a week. I was told that I just took too much mdma but who knows. I'm not down with seeing stuff...I just like the body and emotional buzz of good e's. I"m a little worried though because my regular source is out of commission right now...and only a week to go.

this crystal shit scares me. I dont' want any part of that. How would I know it's crystal as opposed to mdma?

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 The pills I have been using have been exactly like you describe above. A high of 2-3 hours, no seeing stuff, etc...and a gradual come down. But the "pure mdma capsule" I took on NYE was, although similar, just far too intense. I DID see some weird stuff...wavy lines and everything looked like it was on an angle or something. I woke up still very buzzed and the lathargy lasted for over a week. I was told that I just took too much mdma but who knows. I'm not down with seeing stuff...I just like the body and emotional buzz of good e's. I"m a little worried though because my regular source is out of commission right now...and only a week to go. this crystal shit scares me. I dont' want any part of that. How would I know it's crystal as opposed to mdma?

The fact your energy levels didn't come back up for nearly a week could be caused by a few things. a) your appeitite, did you eat well the day of dropping and I'm willing to bet you didn't get a lot of food in the day afterwards. This can be made worse if b) the pills were cut with a very strong percentage of an amphetamine which surpresses your appeitite and can lead you to exhert more energy over the course of the night than you other wise would have. Think of the regularly running 4 km for excersise, that night you did a marathon. Most people 'catch up' on sleep with in one nights 'regular' sleep but the problem with pills cut with strong amphetamine is that they tend to stay in the blood stream longer than other drugs and even as trace elements they distrupt your short wave sleeping cycle. Your short wave sleep cycle is non REM sleep and so far has been proven to be the most recuprative of the 4 sleep phases. People who sleep less regularly tend to have a higher percentage of short wave sleep so they recuperate the same as someone who sleeps longer.
All this being said, you likely took MDA on NYE if you had visuals and it came on that intense. pure MDMA, unless taken in larger than averge doeses, should not make you feel that like it came up that strong and should not create visual effects until you are way way over your limit (at this point the visuals are likely caused by neuro toxicity). MDA often does come up stronger and then level out a bit later.
The crystal won't hurt you "persay" in small quantities in pills. Chances are that if you have done pills on a few occasions, I'd say about 1/2 were likely cut with it to provide your source of kick ass energy in combination with your MDMA or MDA. It's cheap and in small amounts makes party people happy to still have energy (Mashy pill vs Speedy pill debate).
Obviously no one likes to be sketcy the next day, but your only ways of avoiding pills cut with crystal is to A) not do pills, or B) get a testing kit or send them out for testing. FDA does not allow labs to report the % of a chemical found in the pill but they do release the data as WHAT was found in it and they can be submitted annoynomously (but you have to give up a pill and as of now pay the lab fee)(so basically, just get a testing kit). A testing kit will merely tell you if it is pure or not. Some testing kits are advanced enough now to detect traces of other elements (ie MDA) and can used to infer other chemicals (ie if the strip changes no color at all it likely has PMA in it instead).
Also keep in mind a lot of your sketchyness is likely to also be caused from having been up all night sleep deprived and listening to 144 bpm 4/4 beats! Your immune system is off gaurd and the likely hood of catching a small bug (especially in winter) is high, this could also contribute to why it took you a week to recover. Another element that has been speculated on are your natual Cicadian Sleeping paterns are greatly thrown out of wack by staying up all night. Think about flying westward from Tokyo to Toronto, you are going to feel like crap due to jet lag producing a 10 hour phase shift in your daily paterns.
Remember that there are no ethics in drug dealing. Unless he is your buddy from kindergarden remain skeptical from batch to batch (I would still question my buddy from kindergarden, although likely trust him a bit more than others). I also recomend only doing max one pill at a time and waiting about an hour before taking another one (maybe even only a half pill at a time to play it really safe), that way by the time you have enough in your body to start feeling the effects the come up will be softer and more gradual and you won't feel like your peaking as hard should it MDA instead of MDMA in the pill, it will also wear off more gradually because of the time it takes each bit to metabolize in the body. It is also a good idea in case you took something you shouldn't have, it will give you time to go get help before you are in real trouble should the god forbid ever happen.
Hope that helps a bit.

One other thing to keep in mind is pre-loading and post loading which I will post info about up later on this afternoon. Pre-loading and post loading before doing pills can greatly improve the high you experience and make the come down feel much softer while also allowing you to get better slow wave sleep the night after (which will make you feel much better the next day when you wake up)
Edit: I don't mean pre-loading with E, I mean other natuaral substances available at general health food stores which will better protect your serotonin levels. (ex 5-htp, L-Tyrosine....)

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Originally posted by Lightshow i wear sunglasses for the same reason everybody wears them in a club. 1: people look cool in sunglasses 2: it gets awefully bright as the night progresses

*nusty does not wear sunglasses at night, they make it hard to see and you could trip

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Originally posted by nusty MDA often does come up stronger and then level out a bit later.

thanks for that reply! Yeah...it was most probably MDA then, because it hit me like a ton of bricks and kept coming in waves and waves, some manageable and subtle, others very violent and strong. It wasn't a "bad" experience, but something I just didn't want in a club environment. For the first two hours, I didn't want to dance...I actually had to leave and ride out the initial "attack" in my buddy's car as he stayed with me to make sure everything was ok. Then as is started to wear off, I got the energy buzz and felt great for a very long time. Even when I woke up after a short 4 hour sleep, I was still buzzing until later that night and then felt like crap for a week. I suspected it wasn't pure MDMA, even though my source insisted it was and that it simply wasn't a "club drug". I dont' think I"ll be doing any type of capsule again though.

I"ve been considering getting a testing kit for awhile too, but I dont' do E very often now and I'd never get into dealing anything. (it's not worth it). But depending on how expenisve they are, it might be a good investment. I also make sure I eat a pretty healthy meal before I party...lots of juice, protein and vegetables. And I pile on the orange juice and cranberry juice, as well as water, upon comedown and the next few days. I just would hate, for Decadence, to get a shitty batch from somebody who I know has good chach (i'm not big into that one though), but E is entirely different. This particular source is Asian so that whole Triad thing is a bit of a concern.

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