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Originally posted by Spirit5 Have you read Graham Hancock's book "Fingerprints of the Gods"? He talks about the same stuff. He notes that the Sphinx shows evidence, esp on the side of the body, of a great flood which was thought to have taken place 10,000 years ago, not 2500 or so when we were thought to believe the Sphinx was built. And the head was that of a Lion, not a Pharoh, Khafra, as they had carved it as.

I havent read it, but I will now ;-) thanks for the recommendation.

Have you heard about the fascinating Bosnian Pyramids? 4 OF THEM!!! They're MUCH older than Egyptian Pyramids. They're so old, they're actually covered by vegetation, mud/soil now! Tunnels, shafts, steps have been found too. Excavation is still under way.

BTW, local history only goes 5 thousand years back .. this is BEFORE history, a lost and forgotten civilization that makes our own history and origins OBSOLETE!


http://archaeoastronomy.wordpress.c...y-and-pyramids/



http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/Excav...ramidOfSun.html

http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/Excav...amidOfMoon.html

some google videos on this:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay...&q=smailbegovic

Stone balls found near the sites, just like the same stone balls in central, southern america:

http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/Archi...StoneBalls.html


http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/Archive_files/Termal.html

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Originally posted by Magnetonium [COLOR=FF7F50] I havent read it, but I will now ;-) thanks for the recommendation. Have you heard about the fascinating Bosnian Pyramids? 4 OF THEM!!! They're MUCH older than Egyptian Pyramids. They're so old, they're actually covered by vegetation, mud/soil now! Tunnels, shafts, steps have been found too. Excavation is still under way. BTW, local history only goes 5 thousand years back .. this is BEFORE history, a lost and forgotten civilization that makes our own history and origins OBSOLETE!

Yeah it's a great book. Graham Hancock I would say is much more credible and intelligent in his writing and observations than guys like Eric von Daniken. He doesn't really atribute things to aliens, but believes in lost civilizations, though he does speculate that there could have been a lost civilization that came from Mars, or the constellation Orion, or perhaps Sirrius. He's found that many civilizations speak of this lost civilization, or a time of great technological advancement. Which was more than 5,000 years ago, perhaps 10,000, 15,000 or more. And mysteriously, something happened and we were set back, forced to make it on our own, as these advanced civilizations just disapeared. The whole notion of Atlantis sinking...being wiped out, something like this could have also destroyed other civilizations. There could have been a flood, or a time of climatic change like we are experiencing now. So the flood story in Genesis could have been a metaphor for some event that really did take place. Mind you, it wasn't caused by God....it was a natural disaster. So there are definitely many years that we have a blank in...on the human record.

Also with this pyramid you showed me, there is similar ones in England, and one discovered off the coast of England on an island. There is something about these pyramids that have been seen all over the world...and definitely it has something to do with the stars....after all a pyramid has a tip that points to the stars, or "heaven" as the ancients thought of it, and people still refer to the stars/sky as "the heavens".

Also, isnt it a strange coincidence that all these cultures ALL AROUND THE WORLD have been building Pyramids around the same time .... or more like in the same era, not connected by postal service, internet, phone - yet their designs were so much similar ... telepathy, perhaps? Or maybe they were all connected somehow ;-)

Here's a good old link to check out about the world's pyramids (the page doesnt include the NEW Bosnian pyramids ;-( Or the megalithic structures found in eastern European part of Russia, or near Kerch'

http://www.bibleufo.com/ancconstpyr.htm

these structures have even been found on the bottom of Atlantic too!!! There's all these ancient long-gone civilizations whose ruins cover earth, hidden under water, in sand, in soil ... they're gone now, like us in the future (at this pace) ... they had amazing designs and history, culture ... the Pyramids in the high mountains of Peru ...

I believe that Egyptians didnt build the Pyramids. I strongly believe that they were already in place when Egyptian civilization started off onthe ruins of the previous great post-Atlantean culture (which went down in huge hail of destruction to the bottom of Atlantic tens of thousands of years ago).

Whew, gotta take a break, sleep time ;-)

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Also, isnt it a strange coincidence that all these cultures ALL AROUND THE WORLD have been building Pyramids around the same time .... or more like in the same era, not connected by postal service, internet, phone - yet their designs were so much similar ... telepathy, perhaps? Or maybe they were all connected somehow ;-) Here's a good old link to check out about the world's pyramids (the page doesnt include the NEW Bosnian pyramids ;-( Or the megalithic structures found in eastern European part of Russia, or near Kerch' http://www.bibleufo.com/ancconstpyr.htm these structures have even been found on the bottom of Atlantic too!!! There's all these ancient long-gone civilizations whose ruins cover earth, hidden under water, in sand, in soil ... they're gone now, like us in the future (at this pace) ... they had amazing designs and history, culture ... the Pyramids in the high mountains of Peru ... I believe that Egyptians didnt build the Pyramids. I strongly believe that they were already in place when Egyptian civilization started off onthe ruins of the previous great post-Atlantean culture (which went down in huge hail of destruction to the bottom of Atlantic tens of thousands of years ago). Whew, gotta take a break, sleep time ;-)

Yep we think a like. Anyways talk to you some more later. I'm going to bed as well...tired. I'll check out the website later as well. Thanks.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium The government doesn't want to silence/murder the critics, that only portrays their involvement. They use media, counter-arguments, disinformation and propaganda to shoot down whomever gets in the way, and as in last resort murders its critics in "freak accidents".

But Magnetonium.

Do you understand that they are allowing them to get their message out. Their are people watching this and yet there is no reaction by the masses. How come some one like you who knows this stuff isn't rebeling or planning an overthrow of the government?

People who know as much as we do in the PDD forum. Don't do crap to change anything in the gov. Why is that? Because we are considered mostly by ourselves to be intellectuals. and the gov knows that. The gov doesn't fear anybody because intellectuals are just as incompetant and corrupt as politicians are.

I would rather be considered a bloody barbarian than an intellectual if I could get something done against the gov.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Also, isnt it a strange coincidence that all these cultures ALL AROUND THE WORLD have been building Pyramids around the same time .... or more like in the same era, not connected by postal service, internet, phone - yet their designs were so much similar ... telepathy, perhaps? Or maybe they were all connected somehow ;-)

It is human nature to show power by building a big structure to the skies. Because that is where Humans believed the Gods were. There is nothing strange. It is considered architecture. If you think that is strange than so are the skyscrapers in chicago and the ones in Beijing.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid It is human nature to show power by building a big structure to the skies. Because that is where Humans believed the Gods were. There is nothing strange. It is considered architecture. If you think that is strange than so are the skyscrapers in chicago and the ones in Beijing.

Well then what is so significant about the Pyramid then? Yes they believed they were because of the Gods in the sky..the "heavens" or "heaven". Wouldn't it be interesting to speculate that what if...as i've said in another post, that these Gods in the sky, were things they saw in the sky...natural phenomenon as well as structured craft from advanced civilizations existing on Earth? They were probably the people's "Gods", after all, they gave many Gods human atributes, would it be so far fetched to question whether these Gods could have truly existed, yet they weren't Gods, just a more advanced group of people? Let's not say they are aliens, but just an advanced civilization. This is what Graham Hancock believes, he doesn't neccessarily say they are all "alien" but certainly he believes, as do I and Magnetonium, that there were advanced civilizations in our past...advanced knowledge.

I thought this might interest you guys that are into the UFO ideas. I was reading my local newspaper this morning (from the Dominican Republic), and apparently a group of 35 people, who recieved messages individually, and apparently some where from different countries, gathered at this high point in the country and were in contact with aliens . Heres the link, its in spanish though, Link

Just for the record, i do believe there is some life out there, im just more inclined to believe in simpler explanations of our past civilizations achievements and downfalls.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by venomX I thought this might interest you guys that are into the UFO ideas. I was reading my local newspaper this morning (from the Dominican Republic), and apparently a group of 35 people, who recieved messages individually, and apparently some where from different countries, gathered at this high point in the country and were in contact with aliens . Heres the link, its in spanish though, Link Just for the record, i do believe there is some life out there, im just more inclined to believe in simpler explanations of our past civilizations achievements and downfalls.

Thanks, very interesting, too bad I dont speak Spanish or whatever the language it is ;-)




There's strong evidence out there to suggest that our human civilization was based on the remnants of the previously fallen great civilization ... whose ruins cover the world ... in fact, pyramid structures have been found all over the world ... And some of them precede our "current" civilization that allegedly started in 7000 BC.

Bosnian Pyramids, for example, are at least 10,000 years old - and that is even before considering the isotope dating methods, only taking into consideration the rate at which soil, sand and later vegetation, forests covered these magnificent gigantic structures. Where's their records? As of now, we dont even know anything about this culture ...

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid But Magnetonium. Do you understand that they are allowing them to get their message out. Their are people watching this and yet there is no reaction by the masses. How come some one like you who knows this stuff isn't rebeling or planning an overthrow of the government? People who know as much as we do in the PDD forum. Don't do crap to change anything in the gov. Why is that? Because we are considered mostly by ourselves to be intellectuals. and the gov knows that. The gov doesn't fear anybody because intellectuals are just as incompetant and corrupt as politicians are. I would rather be considered a bloody barbarian than an intellectual if I could get something done against the gov.

It is pointless to murder someone who's threatening your ideas - because that person will become a martyr, the person's murder will justify his ideas. It is much better in this day and age to take the person's ideas, and twist them so that you can you them for your own propaganda. Its the 21st century way. Manipulation, unfair coverage, cover-ups and disinformation ... Sometimes the governments and media go after such factors as person's credibility ... or they take one line of the message and portray their own agenda.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid It is human nature to show power by building a big structure to the skies. Because that is where Humans believed the Gods were. There is nothing strange. It is considered architecture. If you think that is strange than so are the skyscrapers in chicago and the ones in Beijing.

LOL, this is a terrible analogy. So you are saying that Egyptians knew about, lets say, Incas, and did Incas know about Aztecs? Did the Japanese Pyramids on the bottom of Pacific and their designers saw the blueprints or video of Giza plateau?

The designs used to build the skyscrapers in Beijing were similar to those in Chicago. Same line of technological development, same codes, same construction. You actually helped my point with that analogy. Today we are all connected, and we share the same construction methods, designs and ideas. In China they're taught the same laws of physics and construction, only different language.

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Yeah Magnetonium, you definitely have to read Graham Hancock's work, you will enjoy his theories about a lost civilization, something similar to Atlantis. He's been all over the world investigating these kinds of things. He's not an archaeologist, but a journalist, but he does have quite a vast knowledge of ancient cultures. He's much better IMO than Eric Van Daniken. The ancient astronaut theory might sound good, and it's fun to speculate about (and I have done this in this thread and still do it) but when it comes to doing a serious study, Graham Hancock is much more believable.

Architecture is the same everywhere. Even back then they might have not known each other. But they followed the same principles of math. Math is the same everywhere and it doesn't take communication from one civilization to the other to do simple math. Building a pyramid is simple compare to building a dam or a skyscraper. It is why they all have pyramids. Structures to show their power. One way was to build up the Romans did it too. Did they talk with the incas or the Mayans?

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Architecture is the same everywhere. Even back then they might have not known each other. But they followed the same principles of math. Math is the same everywhere and it doesn't take communication from one civilization to the other to do simple math. Building a pyramid is simple compare to building a dam or a skyscraper. It is why they all have pyramids. Structures to show their power. One way was to build up the Romans did it too. Did they talk with the incas or the Mayans?

Who knows, there is much we don't know. Don't be brainwashed by historians or by scientists for that matter, who feel like we know everything there is to know. They didn't neccessarily have to talk with each other, no, but it's the idea of the pyramid that makes people wonder "is there a connection?" or the symbolism that a pyramid has. The pyramids of Giza were like star markers, they corresponded with the constellation of Orion. Whoever built it, had a good knowledge of astronomy. Many civilizations did, and with math. The point however, is if somehow these civilizations had someone or people...help them...guide them or teach them. Just like when you go to school...to be taught things you don't know, what if ancient civilizations were taught as well, by some other civilization that was more advanced? It's not something hard to fanthom. It could have very well been possible.