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Originally posted by Astatic Check de AA side of Mighty Ducks.... Mohawk

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I'm in two minds about it.

1. Last year I wrote an ambient track using a unique preset from Absynth 3. A bit after writing and producing it (I didn't send it out to any labels etc) I heard 'Once' by Alex Stealthy who had used the same preset from Absynth 3, obviously with no input from my tune as no one has it but me. So I can quite see how these things happen. But in my case, though the preset was obviously the same, the melodies of my tune and 'once' were totally different.

2. In your case the melody is very similar..... too similar.... and the preset / patch sounds almost the same.

End of the day mate labels don't give a fuck unless they can make money. Leon Boilers name is known, your's isn't. If a rip off can be made I'm sure the label will go for it, bolt a big producers name onto it and watch the cash flow in. I'd look to the label, not the producer. I gave up with sending promos to labels a couple of years ago.

If this is a rip off it takes the piss.

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Originally posted by PETRAN The original " mighty Ducks" track (or whatever is called) is 1000 times better then Boliers "another-extremely-boring-random-trance-by-numbers" track!!!I vote for the original!!! P.S. There is a new version of Rave e-jay coming out kids(!!!), errmm sorry i mean "trance producers"...

mighty ducks is not trance.

about 'my precious', im working on a follow up as we speak.

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Originally posted by Paul.Vinitsky STANDARD PRESETS ARE EVIL!

that already was the point with our breakdown in the mighty ducks. People seem not to get that, and think we did our utter best to create an emotional melody or so, which isnt true.

And Paul, why oh why did you post this on all forums, mail armin van buuren and others about it (yeah those mails got forwarded) instead of contacting us upfront. Do you (and anyone else) really think we need to steal melodies from others and that we arent capable of writing own melodies? especially when it comes to an arpeggio played on a vanguard? Do you really think that IF Menno (@Intuition Office) received this demo (which he didnt, comes clear from your email: you didnt send it to intuition, but you sent it to Fundamental and United recordings, which means Menno didnt even GET your demo)and passed it on to us, we would look into our VSTs and synths to check for something that would sound EXACTLY the same as your sound and came up with this vanguard preset (its called frozen land i think)?

Could be that you were shocked when hearing the ducks sample, but thats not our fault anyway. Maybe the lesson for you should be: if you use a preset, be aware that anyone else can use it too.

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Originally posted by LeonB that already was the point with our breakdown in the mighty ducks. People seem not to get that, and think we did our utter best to create an emotional melody or so, which isnt true. And Paul, why oh why did you post this on all forums, mail armin van buuren and others about it (yeah those mails got forwarded) instead of contacting us upfront. Do you (and anyone else) really think we need to steal melodies from others and that we arent capable of writing own melodies? especially when it comes to an arpeggio played on a vanguard? Do you really think that IF Menno (@Intuition Office) received this demo (which he didnt, comes clear from your email: you didnt send it to intuition, but you sent it to Fundamental and United recordings, which means Menno didnt even GET your demo)and passed it on to us, we would look into our VSTs and synths to check for something that would sound EXACTLY the same as your sound and came up with this vanguard preset (its called frozen land i think)? Could be that you were shocked when hearing the ducks sample, but thats not our fault anyway. Maybe the lesson for you should be: if you use a preset, be aware that anyone else can use it too.

My advice would be: Preset arpeggio is amateurish. Those who use it obviously isn't capable / or doesn't take the time to plot the midi instead. ERGO - Those who use it sucks and should be ashamed. Including YOU Leon!!

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Originally posted by alexpea My advice would be: Preset arpeggio is amateurish. Those who use it obviously isn't capable / or doesn't take the time to plot the midi instead. ERGO - Those who use it sucks and should be ashamed. Including YOU Leon!!

quite true, it is extremely lazy. another piece of proof showing the quantity of new material is by far exceeding the quality

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Originally posted by LeonB that already was the point with our breakdown in the mighty ducks. People seem not to get that, and think we did our utter best to create an emotional melody or so, which isnt true. And Paul, why oh why did you post this on all forums, mail armin van buuren and others about it (yeah those mails got forwarded) instead of contacting us upfront. Do you (and anyone else) really think we need to steal melodies from others and that we arent capable of writing own melodies? especially when it comes to an arpeggio played on a vanguard? Do you really think that IF Menno (@Intuition Office) received this demo (which he didnt, comes clear from your email: you didnt send it to intuition, but you sent it to Fundamental and United recordings, which means Menno didnt even GET your demo)and passed it on to us, we would look into our VSTs and synths to check for something that would sound EXACTLY the same as your sound and came up with this vanguard preset (its called frozen land i think)? Could be that you were shocked when hearing the ducks sample, but thats not our fault anyway. Maybe the lesson for you should be: if you use a preset, be aware that anyone else can use it too.

I agree, it sounds to me that Paul is just pissed off that his track didn't get signed.

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Originally posted by alexpea My advice would be: Preset arpeggio is amateurish. Those who use it obviously isn't capable / or doesn't take the time to plot the midi instead. ERGO - Those who use it sucks and should be ashamed. Including YOU Leon!!

oh please read my posts more carefull

What do you think now, in ALL other tracks i produced i never used presets or arps.

Ill explain ONE more time then:

We knew it is lazy to use, we knew the melody wasnt special. That was on purpose!

We said to each other:
Lets see, we'll make a track for the dancefloors, and add this preset thing in the middle, and see what people will say who listen to it at home, instead of experience it in the club. And what happened, several people saying: The track is shit, but the break is ok. That was exactly the effect we were looking for, as its a gimmick.

edit -> needless to say we think its the opposite, we love the beats, and we see the break as a funny gimmick.

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Originally posted by LeonB Could be that you were shocked when hearing the ducks sample, but thats not our fault anyway. Maybe the lesson for you should be: if you use a preset, be aware that anyone else can use it too.

Leon all is already written... Everybody understand the situation and made conclusions. I answered on all the questions. At this moment this topic become a circle. A flame repeats itself more and more and comments have same sense as 1, 3, 5 pages before. On t.nu it's already closed. Possibly it's actual here?

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Originally posted by Nell quite true, it is extremely lazy. another piece of proof showing the quantity of new material is by far exceeding the quality

Putting aside whether the average trance track of the moment sounds lazy or not, I somewhat disagree with this.

And this applies to the use of 'factory' presets as well.

If a sound works really well in a mix, that's all that matters.

Of course freshly created synth presets should be used and encouraged, but there are times when presets made by others just slot perfectly in the mix and I have no problem whatsoever with myself or anyone using them, if it benefits the track as a whole.

That goes for using arpeggiator functions too. After all, all that really matters is how the end result sounds, the final piece of music.

That's true craftsmanship, having an end result thats wonderful and stands on its own, regardless of what tools were used and what some of the techniques were to produce it.

Yes of course if the entire thing was only factory presets, loops and arps it would sound as such, but such elements should not be outlawed as somehow 'lazy' or bad altogether. Everything has its uses

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Originally posted by Paul.Vinitsky Leon all is already written... Everybody understand the situation and made conclusions. I answered on all the questions. At this moment this topic become a circle. A flame repeats itself more and more and comments have same sense as 1, 3, 5 pages before. On t.nu it's already closed. Possibly it's actual here?

if anyone concludes i stole anything im still not satisfied

but well, yeah let it be buried forever then.