I'm done talking mezz, I have nothing left to say. I'll be the bigger person.

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Originally posted by mezzir you guys realize there's no end to this argument, right?

You win the thread. I wish I had a prize to give you. =\

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Originally posted by squirrelly I'm done talking mezz, I have nothing left to say. I'll be the bigger person.

nope, you lost the chance
if pk had chosen paper and you chose scissors, well then yeah
but nope
you both lose

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I believe that the decisions we make on a daily basis will determine our future, as long as your goals are set. I'm just working on being financially secure and keeping my family and girl happy. I personally don't believe in fate but I do believe in hope. Hope is such an amazing human trait, sometimes that is all we got at the grimmest moments. If someone asked me to define life, I'd say that it's moments and memories in the space time continuum.

This is the link to the definition in scientific terms and even though I'm catholic and I do practice the faith, the logic of this theory makes a lot of sense.


http://www.west.net/~ke6jqp/spacetime/spacetime.html

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Originally posted by jennypie Why should that bother you though? Other people's beliefs have no effect on your life. Basically you're admitting how weak you are by choosing to be intolerant to things that have nothing to do with you. Way to go.

of course not. other people's belief system(s) have never affected anyone's life ever, have they? i dont care if im weak by getting annoyed by stupid people (not, not directed at squirrel). so be it. everyone has their weaknesses. if you believe that wanting people mentally and emotionally unshackled by superstitious nonsense is "intolerant", then you are perfectly free to represent that view as you have done.

if you haven't realised it, intellectual progress has been motivated by ideas competing against each other, sometimes synthesising into new ideas. merely doing my part in the COR for anyone that might be tempted to embrace bullshit into their lives.

so, in the mean time, why dont you go post in a thread about "buttsecks" or "LOLs" and avoid coming to a battle of wits unarmed.

i have accused fate & destiny as being nonsense. im merely asking their advocates to explain to me how they're not.

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Originally posted by squirrelly And I don't give a shit what you want to hear. I could give a flying fuck if you believe in fate or destiny. I believe, you don't. I have reasons, and I honestly don't feel like it's necessary to divulge in personal matters on the internet with a stranger, just because you said so.

see, this is where the stupidity comes to bear. im not asking for a blow by blow description of your crazy, shitty life that has forced you into kowtowing to notions of cosmic control. i couldnt give a fuck about life circumstances that you havent been able to deal with properly, and developed some quasi religion based upon it. id like anyone to explain to me how they believe fate works. you, someone else. i dont care.

if anyone wants me, im taking my magical flying carpet to visit the king of the potato people to beg for freedom.

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for fucks sake, let it go. ur comming off as a total asshole

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the universe is billions of years old, bigger than any of us can ever imagine, thousands of planets, and YOU think YOU'RE life has special meaning?

That reminds me, I saw this photo on a link someone posted in this thread. I did some searching and came up with this:



The photo was taken by Voyager 1 in 1990 as it sailed away from Earth, more than 4 billion miles in the distance. Having completed it primary mission, Voyager at that time was on its way out of the Solar System... Ground Control issued a command for the distant space craft to turn around and, looking back, take photos of each of the planets it had visited. From Voyager's vast distance, the Earth was captured as a infinitesimal point of light (between the two white tick marks), actually smaller than a single pixel of the photo. The image was taken with a narrow angle camera lens, with the Sun quite close to the field of view. Quite by accident, the Earth was captured in one of the scattered light rays caused by taking the image at an angle so close to the Sun. Dr. Sagan was quite moved by this image of our tiny world. Here...is an excerpt from the late Dr. Sagan's talk:

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"We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam. The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN thats just plain stupid. "reasons"- wtf is that supposed to mean? if you mean theres a cause and effect relationship, well obviously. if you mean theres some greater significance as to why "shit happens" then thats just romantic nonsense. you dont "know" anything, you assume. big difference. a gut feeling or some kind of faith isnt evidence of anything apart from your own gullible nature.

you talk like you're an expert on the topic...when you know shit about the validity of "fate", just like everyone else in this world. the thread is about whether or not you "believe", not if fate is actually real or true. that argument is about as purposeless as to debating why life exists in the first place.

never in your life have you looked at a personal event in retrospect, and realized that it had a latent purpose? if not, BS...you may call it coincidence, others may think that there is a reason for things happening the way they do. it's all a matter of opinion, in which there is no "stupid".

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I find the entire question of fate/destiny to be a little silly. You will always hear the arguments of pre-determination vs. free will and inevitably someone will question who is pulling our strings or what their mysterious master plan is. It's all hog wash. I don't believe that all of our actions are pre-determined by any outside force, however, I do believe that in any given situation there is only one course of action / reaction we can take. This is not determined by anything outside of ourselves, it is determined by our experience, motivations, thought processes and beliefs. What ever decision I make in a given situation is the only decision I could make because it is the only one I would allow myself to make. The only way we could possibly go against our inclinations is if we had foreknowlege of the results of our intended action, since we don't we are destined to do whatever it is we do.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down