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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit thanks lilith. your right about that Actually you brought up a good point. Taking ampetamines and going to all night raves is a great way to create a caloric deficit. Think about it 6 or so hours of cardio (if you dance hard) youll probably lose about 1500 or more calories.

lol I'm not advocating use of drugs for weight loss!

cut off your left arm

your bmi will drop incredibly

all fixed

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Originally posted by EXTREMUM You're right. I failed life, a long time ago.

way to focus on the negative post instead of reading what i had to say. oh well, can't say i didn't try.

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i don't think there is really any kind of solution. there are far too many things, which give people excuses, in today's societies that are in support of such a lifestyle. fast passed busy schedules, television and computers, etc. in order to change the problem...you need to change our social behaviors and that will take generations to do.


i think the biggest problem with obesity is the same as things such as smoking or anything else. the consequences are distant...so the immediate gratification takes priority. people enjoy eating and exercise is too much work. they don't really think through the possible conseqeunces when they are older and if they do they just choose to ignore them because not working out and eating tasty stuff is more enjoyable.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i don't think there is really any kind of solution. there are far too many things, which give people excuses, in today's societies that are in support of such a lifestyle. fast passed busy schedules, television and computers, etc. in order to change the problem...you need to change our social behaviors and that will take generations to do.

Indeed, and unfortunately by necessity. There is little hope left for our generation, but there is undoubtedly still time for the generations to come after us - Unfortunately I only see diseases like diabetes reaching epidemic proportions before anyone really wakes up and addresses the problem.

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i think sooner or later it'll fix itself...

everything will become "fat free," "salt reduced," protein enriched, added vitamins with consumer demand...

just have to wait for the prices to come down...

and im a big fan of the wii for the sole reason is that its associating fun w/ exercising.

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Originally posted by RJT Indeed, and unfortunately by necessity. There is little hope left for our generation, but there is undoubtedly still time for the generations to come after us - Unfortunately I only see diseases like diabetes reaching epidemic proportions before anyone really wakes up and addresses the problem.

this thread made me think about the healthcare system. we have such huge raised costs in healthcare these days and i'm sure it's because people are just less healthy than they have been. think how cheap a healthcare system with healthy people would be? sure some people would still get sick with serious diseases and the like, but we could actually afford a free healthcare system if we didn't have to support all of the medical problems that come from obesity.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller this thread made me think about the healthcare system. we have such huge raised costs in healthcare these days and i'm sure it's because people are just less healthy than they have been. think how cheap a healthcare system with healthy people would be? sure some people would still get sick with serious diseases and the like, but we could actually afford a free healthcare system if we didn't have to support all of the medical problems that come from obesity.

Ideally, I agree with you, but change that last little bit (in bold), to a more broad idea of the social problems we have in the U.S. that affect physical health (i.e. Poverty level eating habits, "fast food" culture, propagation of corporate globalism). I do think that the health problems related to obesity alone would remove a tremendous burdon from the system, however, the problem runs so much deeper than obesity that without addressing broader social factors leading to obesity, we may as well not address the issue at all.

I really do think that a publicly funded health care system, in general, promotes better lifestyle choices with regard to health. Especially during ones formative years.

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Originally posted by Tholius i think sooner or later it'll fix itself...

I think so too.

Though many, many people are not going to like what happens...

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I think so too. Though many, many people are not going to like what happens...

lol - so which theory of "balance" do you subscribe to? Aristotelian? "Rubber Band Theory"?

Honestly though, I agree. Life does seem to have a way of sorting itself out, but it generally takes a crisis, and nobody likes a crisis.

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Originally posted by RJT Ideally, I agree with you, but change that last little bit (in bold), to a more broad idea of the social problems we have in the U.S. that affect physical health (i.e. Poverty level eating habits, "fast food" culture, propagation of corporate globalism). I do think that the health problems related to obesity alone would remove a tremendous burdon from the system, however, the problem runs so much deeper than obesity that without addressing broader social factors leading to obesity, we may as well not address the issue at all. I really do think that a publicly funded health care system, in general, promotes better lifestyle choices with regard to health. Especially during ones formative years.

well definitely true. i mean there are a lot of other social problems that need to be addressed besides obesity, but i was just trying to keep to the thread.

a little off topic...

i think the biggest problem in america's social mindset today is just that instead of america being the land of opportunity, people think more in line with land of exploitation. all you have to do is look at system's like welfare, our illegal immigration problems, or see the latest court ruling to see it. there is a very large segment of the population that doesn't feel any desire to cohesively form a cultural identity. people aren't interested in making america a better place...their concerned with only helping themselves out, even if it's at the expensive of others. from its inception, america has been the melting pot...we've been built on differences and while some think that's a strength of our society...i think it's actually one of our biggest problems. people are very self-interested in america and divided along those borders. there are a lot of racial and class-based boundaries in america today that aren't going to change because people don't want to change them. the only time there is any kind of unity is when we start talking about how we're better than everyone else. and even worse the problem only compounds itself. personally i've become very cynical about the united states...i think something a lot of people feel, but it's hard to remain positive about a society that takes no pride in itself.