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Lilith
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quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Have you ever (when it comes to this issue)?


I'll attack it when you start becoming succinct and a lot less long winded.

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First of all, this has nothing to do with extremist religious organizations. That is not why the "conflict" started or still goes on.


The PLO was started on the simple basis of taking back Palestine by any means necessary, the Zionists where there for much the same reasons.

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Secondly, I find it appalling that you would equate being Jewish with being Zionist. So I definetly wouldn't call you a 'Jew lover.' I've never even considered you to be pro-Zionist eigther, so stop assuming I'm slapping that label on you or lumping you with that group. Although, when you completely ignore post like this, and don't respong to them, I think it's rather understandable why I might:


Zionists are ultra-nationalist jewish settlers. Theyre jews, not christians, muslims or buddists, just jews.
I'm not completely ignoring the post, I do find it appalling that youre using this as a political example and nothing more. Hit the sympathy note and then dive on in with some good old fashioned hating.
Its ugly, inhumane and I've already said all I was going to say on the matter and for now, my opinion of using children to political ends is about as gross as it comes.

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Eigther you don't know what Zionism is, or you refuse to read what I post. That gives me little incentive to debate someone. Not a single one of you pro-Zionist or people with a "balanced" perspective ever bothred responing to it. You know why? Because it makes it very obvious why this conflict started, who's fault it is, and why it is the way it is today. And then some of you decide to go ahead and make accusations of being "biased" or twisted and manipulative.


I read it, I didnt like what you did so I disagreed with the post.

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Virtually everything from the creation of the state of Israel to the current situation reflects the disgusting racist ideology of Zionism. Show me how it doesn't. And then I'll consider you and other who accuse me of being 'one-eyd' as having any credibility whatsoever.


Both these sides have been capable of some awful civilian attrocities, crimes of hatred and very little compassion for who the kill or gets in the way. Given half a chance they'll quite happily kill their own on occassion to get what they want, theyre both extremely savage.

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All I have to say is that you have very selective memory.


No, just a very recently revised opinion of what you really think of me after a few temper outbursts.

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Never called you a sheep, Zionist Patsy, or any other name. The only people I've actually lost my temper with are pkc, Q5, Fir3start3r, and DevilDog. And the only one I have some regrets with doing that are PKC. And I've only called people sheep when it comes to 9-11 (mostly), not because I refused to argue a point, but rather because they slap equally offensive labels on me such as 'conspiracy theorist' which is a meanigless term to begin with. That's when I finally lost my cool and decided to call some of these people sheep. Hey, if they're going to call anyone with a veiw not in line with the goverment/mainstream media story some meanigless label, it's kind of hard not to think of them as 'sheep' and eventually call them that after they call you a 'conpiracy theorist' for the umpteenth time.


So learn to cope with the anger and stop lowering yourself to their levels, even a shortarse like myself with a foul disposition that will thump on lefties or righties, doesnt have to step up very far to be in a small amount of moral high ground around here sometimes and thats really saying something.

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I never labeled you anything, at least I never remember doing it. But I already explained that bit.


No but after repeatedly saying that you don't understand why all the time puts me in the position where I'm obviously intellectually, morally and socially inferior to you because I can't make myself understood.
Even though I use as simple english as possible to put the point across and I'm not yet at the point where I'm going to drag out Paint and start (badly!) drawing pictures.
I am very, very simple.
Dont read between my lines, I'm rarely that literary or literally that clever with it.
Dont start making up stuff I havent written after interpreting it incorrectly, if you dont like it, just say it rather than cut and paste a small book here in response because I dont want to read a huge cut and paste
Dont PM anything to me, because I wont read it.

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Fir3start3r
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_
Sometimes I just wish you'd come out and admit your closet xenophobia. If you lived in England, you'd no doubt read the Daily Mail.


I live in Toronto, probably the most multicultural city in the world and I get along with ALL flavors thanks.
You think you know a lot about me for never having met me, pity because you're truly way off base.


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Registered: Oct 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium


Alright, Firestarter. Lets play your game. Lets forget for a minute the regional fight and the big picture, as you dont want this to be like that. Answer me this then - in this case, has the justice been served for the girl and her family? Has Israeli military publicly apologized for their mistake? Have they compensated the Palestinian family?

Are you going to ignore this too? Death of another civilian in the name of occupation?


No morals either huh?


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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I live in Toronto, probably the most multicultural city in the world and I get along with ALL flavors thanks.




Arent you afraid that one night some arab might break into your home and cut your throat?


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Lilith
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No, thats what Americans are being trained to think everytime their lord and master bothers to speak to them on the television by repeating the words- "middle east, terror and war" over and over.

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Dopey
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: Ramallah

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Originally posted by Chechnyanplutonium
Answer me this then - in this case, has the justice been served for the girl and her family? Has Israeli military publicly apologized for their mistake? Have they compensated the Palestinian family?


Answer me this then - in this case, has the justice been served for the IDF soldiers and their families? Has the Palestinian government publicly revealed their forensic findings? Have they compensated the IDF soldiers for libel?

For all you know, Hamas killed that girl with a rock to promote their cause. You have no evidence to suggest otherwise. All you do is speculate upon one sided news stories.


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Dopey
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Registered: Dec 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by Chechnyanplutonium

Israelis will not even issue a public apology for that innocent girl. They would rather blame the radicals for her death - i.e. it was because they pissed Israelis off and they came to her home and the girl jumped right in front of the gun. Ooops.


Source?


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Magnetonium
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quote:
Originally posted by Dopey
Source?


Haha, are you for real? Its an embarassment to you for asking that question. If Israeli military had in fact paid for the damages and publicly apologized for the raid, it will be in the news. Israel has yet to apologize for their campaign in Lebanon, for example. You want me to source that? You are an idiot. Along with Firestarter. Its pointless arguing you and your supporters because you guys have absolutely no morals, no feelings for the civilians. I know Firestarter, for example, is OK with the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians that have died as a result of an illegal war.


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Dopey
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Registered: Dec 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium


Haha, are you for real? Its an embarassment to you for asking that question. If Israeli military had in fact paid for the damages and publicly apologized for the raid, it will be in the news. Israel has yet to apologize for their campaign in Lebanon, for example. You want me to source that? You are an idiot. Along with Firestarter. Its pointless arguing you and your supporters because you guys have absolutely no morals, no feelings for the civilians. I know Firestarter, for example, is OK with the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians that have died as a result of an illegal war.


the point is, you have no proof

when I see forensic evidence linking that girl's death with an IDF gun, I will believe that it happened that way, until then, it is all speculation, no matter how "informed" you feel you are on the issue


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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
This was all brought up without needing to bring it up at all.
The subject is the little girl, not the war.
The war is the excuse to bring something else up entirely which has been brought up a million times over already.
This whole thing is just gauche.


The war is still GOING
And about the killed girl is a small view of whole war
when we say arabic terrorists there's also
a racism dicriminative teaching to young israelians aganist the arabic roots


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Originally posted by Magnetonium

Firestarter, for example, is OK with the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians that have died as a result of an illegal war.



well thats because according to his fucked up logic this is all ok and normal in the road to democracy,because after 500 years this could all workout.


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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Maybe it's too much for a simple-minded and irrational person to comprehent, but "the little girl's" murder is part of a much bigger picture and if it weren't for that situation, she wouldn't be dead in the first place. So your argument is rather absurd and actually contraticts itself all over. It's a diservice to her, past, and future victims' memory to stay silent about Israeli agression and state sanctioned terrorism, essentially burying it and making it nothing more than another statstic recorded is some document that will most likely never see day light. But I guess it's more convenient for some people to disingenously support an irrational and selfcontradictory position. Hmmm... who can I think of who uses a similar tactic to try and shut people up, oh that right, war hawks and agressors. Nice ad hominem attempt, but unfortunately, I can see through it; I'm not that naive or stupid. It's rather pathetic of you guys to continue with your defamation campaign like this. [EDIT2] But thanks for clarifying your position.

EDIT=Formatting.


Not really, a 10 year old girl died due to the situation in the territories. The Israelis may have killed her accidentally or the Palestinians may have killed her accidentally. Its a sad death, but no more so then anyone who dies on the roads. Those deaths could have been prevented too, if people were more aware and careful in how they drive.


Afterall since your position is this girl's death is a travesty that should be placed at blame for Israel and their years of occupation, then you should similarly label this a travesty at the hands of Palestinian years of occupying themselves:

quote:

Palestinian violence kills 12 year old boy and dozens more

By the A.P.
...
Late Saturday night, a 12-year-old boy was killed and two people were wounded in the northern Gaza Strip during a shootout between Hamas and Fatah gunmen, witnesses and hospital officials said. One of the Hamas men was killed in the gunbattle, hospital officials said.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articl...urity/10481.htm


Should we not similarly be outraged at Palestinian politicians and the half century they have murdered, killed, and improvised their own people for their own silly selfish political objectives and absurd personal glorification?

Afterall, I am sure you are so alarmed at this 12 year old boy's death and the ridiculous circumstances of Palestinian society that have allowed this to happen that you were just about to open a thread dedicated to this matter....

ya, right.


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