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Originally posted by Magnetonium blah blah blah I was a little angry and harsh when said that I dont care about humans - well, I do care, not deeply, but I am a proud homosapien ... but there's little to be proud of, actually. We surround ourselves with destruction, oppression of others, destruction of nature, development and use of diseases blah blah blah you just get very angry to be a human being. blah blah blah. We accomplish things for the richest of our kind, and disregard the lives and future of most of our own species. blah blah blah Human race is doomed, the sooner the more likely nature will recover better.

One good way to end CO2 emissions would be for hydrogen power. Hydrogen combines with oxygen to make, you guessed it, water which the earth is seventy-five percent covered with.

With hydrogen power there can never be a fight for oil nor a fight for water since the planet is always covered in it in one form or another.

There can never be such a thing as running out of fuel if that fuel is water.

But the powers that be saw to it there was a restrictable commodity such as oil to tie down countries and kingdoms.

Where people fight over there being too much humanity while losing the little humanity they have.

People that talk about conservationism are a danger to humanity calling for the extinction of man in order for nature to live. Because one of the solutions to the global warming/cooling "problem" is for the extinction of man, plain and simple as Jacques Cousteau once testified:

The damage people cause to the planet is a function of demographics — it is equal to the degree of development. One American burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangaladeshes. The damage is directly linked to consumption. Our society is turning toward more and needless consumption. It is a vicious circle that I compare to cancer....This is a terrible thing to say. In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it’s just as bad not to say it.

No one that preaches conservationism is going to sacrifice themselves over their own implanted thoughts on this subject. They just parrot away the same tree hugger crap about the dangers man supposedly does to nature.

You can reply all you want but that is it. I can't repeat it anymore than I already have.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 One good way to end CO2 emissions would be for hydrogen power. Hydrogen combines with oxygen to make, you guessed it, water which the earth is seventy-five percent covered with. With hydrogen power there can never be a fight for oil nor a fight for water since the planet is always covered in it in one form or another. There can never be such a thing as running out of fuel if that fuel is water. But the powers that be saw to it there was a restrictable commodity such as oil to tie down countries and kingdoms. Where people fight over there being too much humanity while losing the little humanity they have. People that talk about conservationism are a danger to humanity calling for the extinction of man in order for nature to live. Because one of the solutions to the global warming/cooling "problem" is for the extinction of man, plain and simple as Jacques Cousteau once testified: The damage people cause to the planet is a function of demographics — it is equal to the degree of development. One American burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangaladeshes. The damage is directly linked to consumption. Our society is turning toward more and needless consumption. It is a vicious circle that I compare to cancer....This is a terrible thing to say. In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it’s just as bad not to say it. No one that preaches conservationism is going to sacrifice themselves over their own implanted thoughts on this subject. They just parrot away the same tree hugger crap about the dangers man supposedly does to nature. You can reply all you want but that is it. I can't repeat it anymore than I already have.

You are still talking about emissions, and I am talking about environment destruction. Trees will continue to be cut whether there are hydrogen fuel cells or not. Human population is continually increasing.

Running out of fuel is not an issue with an environment, its an issue with our livestyles - nature doesnt need oil.

Even if our lifestyles will be tightly controlled, the rising population and demand for resources with lesser ability to replace or replenish these resources will cause problems, especially with climate change, environment destruction, pollution, resources mismanagement and depletion.

People dont want to die 350,000 a day. I dont think anyone would be willing to sacrifice themselves in order to bring the population down.

Yeah, I guess its "acceptable" that the damage done is justified for our development, technologically, civilization. We develop to ensure the amazing existence for the ruling elite at the cost of the bottom 80% of the population in standards of life and wealth. You fail to notice what our system is designed for - without cheap labour from developing countries, cheap resources, profits and such our civilization will falter. It requires some people to live well while many others not well. Because thats what economy requires - something or someone to live off, grow, profit ...

Even if people will be strict consumers, natural resources will need to be viciously sucked out of nature to sustain our existence. Population is on the rise.

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Sorry to revive this thread, but I just read the Kyoto Protocol, and I had a good laugh out of it ... I should've known this earlier to shove it in everyone's face of the bullshit behind Kyoto. Its like a game, to play the environment, LMAO ... what a pile of horseshit. Maybe now you'll listen to me:

"Kyoto Protocol is an agreement made under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC). Countries that ratify this protocol commit to reduce their emissions of carbon dioxide and five other greenhouse gases, or engage in emissions trading if they maintain or increase emissions of these gases.

The Kyoto Protocol now covers more than 160 countries globally and over 55% of global greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions.

At its heart, Kyoto establishes the following principles:

Kyoto is underwritten by governments and is governed by global legislation enacted under the UN’s aegis
Governments are separated into two general categories: developed countries, referred to as Annex 1 countries (who have accepted GHG emission reduction obligations and must submit an annual greenhouse gas inventory); and developing countries, referred to as Non-Annex 1 countries (who have no GHG emission reduction obligations but may participate in the Clean Development Mechanism).
Any Annex 1 country that fails to meet its Kyoto target will be penalized by having to submit 1.3 emission allowances in a second commitment period for every ton of GHG emissions they exceed their cap in the first commitment period (i.e, 2008-2012).
By 2008-2012, Annex 1 countries have to reduce their GHG emissions by an average of 5% below their 1990 levels (for many countries, such as the EU member states, this corresponds to some 15% below their expected GHG emissions in 2008). While the average emissions reduction is 5%, national targets range from 8% reductions for the European Union to a 10% emissions increase for Iceland. Reduction targets expire in 2013.
Kyoto includes "flexible mechanisms" which allow Annex 1 economies to meet their GHG targets by purchasing GHG emission reductions from elsewhere. These can be bought either from financial exchanges (such as the new EU Emissions Trading Scheme) or from projects which reduce emissions in non-Annex 1 economies under the Clean Development Mechanism (CDM), or in other Annex-1 countries under the JI.
Only CDM Executive Board-accredited Certified Emission Reductions (CER) can be bought and sold in this manner. Under the aegis of the UN, Kyoto established this Bonn-based Clean Development Mechanism Executive Board to assess and approve projects (“CDM Projects”) in Non-Annex 1 economies prior to awarding CERs. (A similar scheme called “Joint Implementation” or “JI” applies in transitional economies mainly covering the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe).
What this means in practice is that Non-Annex 1 economies have no GHG emission restrictions, but when a GHG emission reduction project (a “GHG Project”) is implemented in these countries, that GHG Project will receive Carbon Credit which can be sold to Annex 1 buyers.

The Kyoto linking mechanisms are in place for two main reasons:

the cost of complying with Kyoto is prohibitive [citation needed] for many [citation needed] Annex 1 countries (especially those countries, such as Japan or the Netherlands for example, with highly efficient, low GHG polluting industries, and high prevailing environmental standards). Kyoto therefore allows these countries to purchase Carbon Credits instead of reducing GHG emissions domestically; and,
this is seen as a means of encouraging Non-Annex 1 developing economies to reduce GHG emissions since doing so is now economically viable because of the sale of Carbon Credits.
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So how are the emissions going to be cut? HUH? Who the fuck gives a shit ... oh, by the way, Kyoto was signed in 1997. Check out the latest data on CO2 levels. Who's an idiot now? Huh? Are you guys still ignorant enough to believe Kyoto protocol will slow down the CO2 emissions? EXACTLY WHAT FORCES DOES KYOTO PROTOCOL HAVE TO ENFORCE THE OBLIGATIONS??? HUH?

How about dropping the Kyoto bullshit and signing a treaty that will actually STOP destruction of environment for change, not some GOALS and CARBON CREDITS that can be made a game out of. Lame shit ...

Dear Einsteins, tell me why the CO2 levels are still increasing when 160 countries signed and RATIFIED the Kyoto Protocol:

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