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Originally posted by slingshot lol, becaues musicican is a term that can be defined technically. music in general is highly technical and therefore the majority of debates can be tackled in an objective matter. you are trying to take objective things and make them subjective. i totally see where you're coming from and compltely understand your views on the subject. in the broad sense of the word, yes, dj's are musicians....

Partial victory is mine?

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but technically speaking it is impossible to agree with this and make this claim. my main goal in this thread was to create awareness that contrary to what many people may think, music is insanely technical. the majority of arguments can be settled by fact.

I don't think anyone was disputing the fact that music is technical and requires a high degree of skill to be proficient in whatever form.

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having spent as much time as i have in my life studying music it is almost heartbreaking at times to see many musical issues being discussed in such an ignorant manner.

Bah. Emotions should never play part in a logical debate and reasoning.

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Originally posted by slingshot a-ha...and thus is the beauty of music....it is a perfect fusion of art and science....while the end product is ussually something that can be referred to as a work of art...a scientific approach can be used to explain it.

If you mean using a scientific approach or a systematic method to explain music, yes I'll agree.
But the issue of contention was not about how to explain music, but who qualifies as musicians...

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Yohan, you're the only person I've come across who repeatedly uses "Heck".

I'm so redneck like that.
But I'm even more proficient with the usage of the word 'fuck'

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

Yohan, i'm sorry, but this back and forth argument is getting very tiring. You simply are just not getting it. Straight up, you are wrong. If you would like, I can come pick you up and take you to the Royal Ontario Conservatory of Music or to the music faculty of any university where there is a person who posseses a doctorate in music. You can present your argument to them and have it absolutely quashed. Since you are failing to grasp the completely objective arguments that I am bringing forth, maybe someone with a few letters after their name will do a good job at humbling you.

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Originally posted by slingshot Yohan, i'm sorry, but this back and forth argument is getting very tiring. You simply are just not getting it. Straight up, you are wrong. If you would like, I can come pick you up and take you to the Royal Ontario Conservatory of Music or to the music faculty of any university where there is a person who posseses a doctorate in music. You can present your argument to them and have it absolutely quashed. Since you are failing to grasp the completely objective arguments that I am bringing forth, maybe someone with a few letters after their name will do a good job at humbling you.

LOL.

I don't debate for the sheer arrogance of myself trying to beat down on my opponents. I debate for the enjoyment of having a logical and intelligent discussion from varying points of view.

I admit that I'm no expert, but I think I've presented my arguments in a logical and reasonable fashion. Likewise while it was hard at times to see where you're coming from, but your arguments were also logical and reasonable.

I don't believe I'm less sane, or any less open minded to others POV. I am hard to convince, but I think I'm fair and I will concede to what makes sense said by others. If I am not adopting your point of view, it is because I was unconvinced by the strength of your arguments. That's all.

It was an enjoyable discussion while it lasted.

PS: My mom's got no PhD, but she's got her BA in music from Mount Allison plus she's been teaching music and piano for over 15 yrs. I'm sure she can quash me like a bug, plus she knows what buttons to push on me

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded