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Originally posted by Fledz FFS Are you even reading what we're saying? We're not saying that it would automatically happen, we're just saying that is in fact possible to still be in government if you lose your seat, provided you then win another in a by-election and then your party can vote you back into the PM position. It is unlikely but definitely possible.

FFS I'm answering the original question! In fact if you read my post you will see that I said essentially what you did then. Btw Sorry you lost!!

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Originally posted by DIDI FFS I'm answering the original question! In fact if you read my post you will see that I said essentially what you did then. Btw Sorry you lost!!

I honestly don't mind that much that we lost. Here's my post from another forum:
People needed a change. The downfall of the Coalition and the implementation of the IR laws was the voters fault. A government should never be given such a majority and due to the landslide victory in the previous election, everything went downhill. The IR laws were not a good idea and while they do help small business and minimise the impact of unions, they are far from perfect and we need a better system.

It's good to see that now the senate is pretty much split which will keep Labor honest and won't allow them to do what the Libs did in the last 3 years. The Coalition was good before, but the power got to their heads a bit too much.

John Howard should have retired 12 months ago and given Costello an honest chance of actually leading. Has that happened, Labor may not have come to power. By staying in, he has totally doomed his own party.

Not to take anything away from him but the majority of his success comes from the first 8 years and not the last 3.

Some would say that to claim it was all the Coalitions responsibility for where we are is untrue because the Labor government set the foundations for what came later, but that is always going to be a big debate. At the end of the day, I think the Coalition of the 90s and the early 2000's really set this country up for what it is now by utilising what was previously established and making the most of the moment. Something that the Labor government was woefully unable to do before they lost the election in 96.

Now we have to see what Labor can do. Honestly, I think Rudd should be given a fair go and he seems like the type of person that won't crack to the left wing of the Labor party, such as Julia Gillard and all her unionists. Time will tell. The beauty of this election system is that we can easily vote them out in 3 years if we're unhappy with their performance. 3 years isn't too long and due to the Liberals holding the majority of the senate, we will finally see a well balanced governing body where new laws will be thoroughly scrutinised and reviewed before being implemented.

I still voted for the Liberals because I believed that Costello would be a good PM and I didn't want to risk Labor ruining anything, but I think my views above echo many Liberals views who actually voted for Labor this time around. My parents were always Liberals but they both ended up voting Labor which tells you enough. Howard pushed it too much and too long. Not to take away anything from him for all his contributions but sadly he's tarnished his reputation a bit and not only made it worse for himself but made it much worse for his party. His selfishness has caused the downfall of the Coalition and they should have had the balls to get rid of him when they had the chance. He should have been forced out.

Anyway, that's all over now. Time to give Rudd a go and see what happens. I'm also eager to see who will take up the Coalition leadership.

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Originally posted by Fledz I honestly don't mind that much that we lost. Here's my post from another forum: People needed a change. The downfall of the Coalition and the implementation of the IR laws was the voters fault. A government should never be given such a majority and due to the landslide victory in the previous election, everything went downhill. The IR laws were not a good idea and while they do help small business and minimise the impact of unions, they are far from perfect and we need a better system. It's good to see that now the senate is pretty much split which will keep Labor honest and won't allow them to do what the Libs did in the last 3 years. The Coalition was good before, but the power got to their heads a bit too much. John Howard should have retired 12 months ago and given Costello an honest chance of actually leading. Has that happened, Labor may not have come to power. By staying in, he has totally doomed his own party. Not to take anything away from him but the majority of his success comes from the first 8 years and not the last 3. Some would say that to claim it was all the Coalitions responsibility for where we are is untrue because the Labor government set the foundations for what came later, but that is always going to be a big debate. At the end of the day, I think the Coalition of the 90s and the early 2000's really set this country up for what it is now by utilising what was previously established and making the most of the moment. Something that the Labor government was woefully unable to do before they lost the election in 96. Now we have to see what Labor can do. Honestly, I think Rudd should be given a fair go and he seems like the type of person that won't crack to the left wing of the Labor party, such as Julia Gillard and all her unionists. Time will tell. The beauty of this election system is that we can easily vote them out in 3 years if we're unhappy with their performance. 3 years isn't too long and due to the Liberals holding the majority of the senate, we will finally see a well balanced governing body where new laws will be thoroughly scrutinised and reviewed before being implemented. I still voted for the Liberals because I believed that Costello would be a good PM and I didn't want to risk Labor ruining anything, but I think my views above echo many Liberals views who actually voted for Labor this time around. My parents were always Liberals but they both ended up voting Labor which tells you enough. Howard pushed it too much and too long. Not to take away anything from him for all his contributions but sadly he's tarnished his reputation a bit and not only made it worse for himself but made it much worse for his party. His selfishness has caused the downfall of the Coalition and they should have had the balls to get rid of him when they had the chance. He should have been forced out. Anyway, that's all over now. Time to give Rudd a go and see what happens. I'm also eager to see who will take up the Coalition leadership.

Well said!! Even if I don't agree with everything.