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Dilmeet
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ninetyninej
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quote:
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I was in a bad mood, I felt like derailing a thread. My bad.

sorry,
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quote:
Originally posted by djGT
Big layoffs no longer limited to finance, housing



good article, damage has definitely extended beyond just realtors & brokers.



quote:
Originally posted by Dilmeet
Ron Paul FTW!@


+1 but now that he is out, Barack has my vote.




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Euros Accepted' Signs Popping Up in New York City


2008-02-06 — cnbc.com

'In the latest example that the U.S. dollar just ain't what it used to be, some shops in New York City have begun accepting euros and other foreign currency as payment for merchandise.'




http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/06/rea...sion=2008020610

Troubled homeowners: Can't pay? Just walk away

More and more borrowers are watching their house values sink while the cost of their loans skyrockets. What to do? Skip out on the mortgage all together.

By Les Christie, CNNMoney.com staff writer
February 6 2008: 10:21 AM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Mortgage payments are set to jump. Home prices have plunged. "I'm outta here."

Homeowners are abandoning their homes and, more importantly, their mortgages, rather than trying to keep up with rising payments on deteriorating assets. So many people are handing their keys back to lenders that a new term has been coined for it: jingle mail.


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djGT
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Registered: Oct 2003
Location: The OC, USA

Anyone get these in their emails? This one was from Lisa Wili-Simmonds at Tarbell in San Clemente.

quote:
“6 reasons to buy a house now. Yummy choices in the candy store and the line is short”

1. Best choices for buyers right now. So many homes for sale and taking longer to sell.
2. Interest rates are at historically low rates. Low rates make it easier to qualify and affordable payments.
3. Historical data suggest continued appreciation for home prices. California median home prices have been steady and rising.
4. New public awareness and education campaigns on lending. State and federal agencies have created protection for buyers. Home ownership with less financial risks.
5. Less pressure on buyers with less multiple-offer games. In 2007, California Realtors reported only 28% of sales had multiples, compared to 57% in 2004.
6. You don’t know the prices have hit rock bottom until they go back up. Time to get off the fence.

What a crock of sh*t!


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ninetyninej
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Location: Sacramento, California

quote:
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Anyone get these in their emails? This one was from Lisa Wili-Simmonds at Tarbell in San Clemente.


What a crock of sh*t!




no shame at all, lie after lie just to commission


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HotDogWater
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Location: somewhere in CA

interesting article, somewhat different viewpoint:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/0206200...2233.htm?page=0

an excerpt:
quote:
Today's Americans, their pain threshold lowered by the successful modulation of business cycles, now regard recessions as not mere misfortunes but as violations of an entitlement to perpetual economic serenity. In the 50 years prior to 1945, contractions were frequent and ferocious enough to fray the social fabric. There were three contractions of 5 percent of GDP, two of 10 percent and two of 15 percent. Since postwar demobilization, the most severe contraction - that of 1982 - was 1.9 percent.

That recession ended in November 1982. If another recession did start last month, then in the 302 months from November 1982 through December 2007, the economy was in recession only 14 months - 4.6 percent of the time. The economy was in recession 22.4 percent of the time between 1945 and 1982.

A recession-free economy is neither an entitlement nor, truth be told, desirable: The "wisdom of crowds" is real but even markets make mistakes and recessions, aka corrections, are, by definition, constructive. Even so, the modern economy's rhythms are much less alarming than any previous generation could have imagined.


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ninetyninej
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quote:
Originally posted by HotDogWater
interesting article, somewhat different viewpoint:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/0206200...2233.htm?page=0

an excerpt:


good article


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djGT
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I wonder if the previous recessions were ever caused by such a huge asset bubble of this magnitude? And if this was a credit/housing bubble, what happens when it deflates?

Fed's Big Dilemma: What If Rate Cuts Don't Work?


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Communism might work???


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ninetyninej
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Conforming Limits Boosted: President Bush Signs H.R. 5140

2008-02-13 — housingwire.com

The new law boosts the GSE conforming limit to as much as $729,750 through the end of this year, and also raises FHA lending limits to the same level for high-cost areas.


http://www.housingwire.com/2008/02/...-signs-hr-5140/

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele...20080213-5.html



this 'stimulus package' is questionable and will probably do very little for the economy as a whole, but it will help CA (especially socal and bay area) who had its jumbo market ass fucked by banks for the last 8+ months. and i should get more calls from my LA realtors


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diskodave
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The market is turning into a huge blood bath. DOW broke the neckline of a big head & shoulders pattern. The fed is likely to cut rates between now at March 18th, which will only do more harm to our economy...



Next support area is 11,650, but who knows how long it will hold there. After that its a large free-fall to the 10,000 area.

I'd load up on Dow & S&P Ultra-Short funds; such as DXD and SDS. When the Dow or S&P move down 1pt, they move up 2pts.


Also, homeowner equity hit an all time low yesterday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_bi_ge/home_equity


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HotDogWater
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From http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080304/bern...age_crisis.html

Fair to the people paying their mortgage, or the ones that didn't get one because they couldn't afford it, right?

quote:
Bernanke Calls for More Mortgage Relief
Tuesday March 4, 4:49 pm ET
By Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics Writer
Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke Says More Needs to Be Done to Prevent Home Foreclosures

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Battling a dangerous wave of home foreclosures, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke called Tuesday for additional relief and urged lenders to help distressed owners by lowering the amount of their loans.

"This situation calls for a vigorous response," Bernanke said in a speech to a banking group meeting in Orlando, Fla.

Even with some relief efforts under way by industry and government, foreclosures and late payments on home mortgages are likely to rise "for a while longer," Bernanke warned.

Rising foreclosures threaten to worsen the problems in the housing market and for the national economy, which many fear is on the verge of a recession or in one already.

"Reducing the rate of preventable foreclosures would promote economic stability for households, neighborhoods and the nation as a whole," Bernanke said. "Although lenders and servicers have scaled up their efforts and adopted a wider variety of loss-mitigation techniques, more can, and should, be done," the Fed chief said.

One of the suggestions Bernanke made was for mortgage and other financial companies to reduce the amount of the loan to provide relief to a struggling owner. "Principal reductions that restore some equity for the homeowner may be a relatively more effective means of avoiding delinquency and foreclosure," Bernanke said.

Bernanke acknowledged this idea might be a tough sell to lenders. Lenders, he said, are reluctant to write down principal. "They say that if they were to write down the principal and house prices were to fall further, they could feel pressured to write down principal again," Bernanke said.

Bill Stevens, chief executive officer of CapitalBank in Greenwood, S.C., said: "We've been talking about it as bankers. It's a tough business decision."

Tom Loonan, vice president of the State Bank of Easton in Minnesota, suggested that debt relief for some who got in over their heads may anger others, who took out mortgages that they could afford. "There's going to be some animosity," he said.

Still, Bernanke suggested such longer-term permanent solutions may work better than shorter-term and temporary ones, where the distressed homeowner could find himself in trouble again. "When the mortgage is `under water' a reduction in principal may increase the expected payoff by reducing the risk of default and foreclosure," he said.

On Wall Street, anxious investors pulled the Dow Jones industrials down 45.10 points.

To date, permanent home mortgage modifications that have occurred have typically involved a reduction in the interest rate, while reductions of the principal balance of the loan have been quite rare, he said.

"Measures that lead to a sustainable outcome are to be preferred to temporary palliatives, which may only put off foreclosure and perhaps increase its ultimate costs," Bernanke said.

Brookly McLaughlin, spokeswoman for the Treasury Department, which has been leading the Bush administration's relief efforts, noted that foreclosures are expensive for both lenders and homeowners, giving parties an incentive to renegotiate a mortgage contract. However, "we're not going to dictate how those renegotiations should be accomplished," she said. "If lenders find that in some cases a principal writedown is less costly than foreclosure, then that is an option they have the incentive to consider."

More than half of the projected 1.5 million home foreclosure proceedings started in 2007 were on subprime loans given to borrowers with blemished credit histories or low incomes.

The housing collapse dragged down home values, clobbering these subprime borrowers. Many were left with mortgages that exceeded the value of their homes. They were further socked by low introductory rates on their adjustable mortgages resetting to higher rates, making their monthly payments difficult or impossible, to afford. Problems in the credit markets have made refinancing a mortgage harder.

This year, about 1.5 million loans -- representing more than 40 percent of the outstanding stock of subprime adjustable-rate mortgages -- are scheduled to reset to higher rates, Bernanke said. The Fed estimates that the interest rate on a typical subprime ARM slated to reset in the current quarter will increase to about 9.25 percent from just above 8 percent. That would raise the monthly payment by more than 10 percent, to $1,500 on average, he said.

Declines in short-term interest rates and a Bush administration initiative involving rate freezes will "reduce the impact somewhat, but interest rate resets will nevertheless impose stress on many households," Bernanke said.

Sheila Bair, chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., also said it's important to think long-term. "Repayment plans or brief deferrals of payments will not allow us to get past our current problems. They are analogous to `kicking the can down the road,'" she told lawmakers Tuesday.

On Capitol Hill, a number of measures have been offered to help stressed homeowners.

Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, welcomed Bernanke's call for more action. "It is now clear that we will not be able to avert a more serious and prolonged economic slowdown if we don't address the problem of increasing mortgage foreclosures," Frank said. "Bernanke's willingness to work with us in a cooperative way, and his outline of the principles that we should be applying are very hopeful signs."


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Registered: Oct 2003
Location: The OC, USA

If Recession Is Now Here, When Is It Going to End?

quote:
A second straight month of job losses all but ended the debate over whether the U.S.
economy has slipped into recession. Now the question is how to get out.

"Turn out the lights. The party's over. We are in a recession," said Joseph Brusuelas, chief U.S. economist at IDEAglobal in New York.

Don't count on debt-laden households to spend their way back to growth. As for banks, they are preoccupied with cleaning up their balance sheets after seven months of credit turmoil, which means they are unlikely to throw open the cash spigots. The federal government is mired in debt as well.

All that adds up to a protracted period of deleveraging -- a fancy word for paring debt -- and perhaps an equally long period of subpar U.S. economic growth.

While most economists still believe that the economy will rebound in the second half of this year as U.S. Federal Reserve interest rate cuts and government tax rebates kick in, some are
starting to push back the recovery date into 2009.

A lot of action in the DOW lately... mostly down.


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