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Originally posted by Sushipunk Luckily, they're in the army.

well, i for one would rather be in afghanistan than have to put up with another one of dad's jokes!

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His poor kids? What about his wife?

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Originally posted by jennypie His poor kids? What about his wife?

she had a choice in the matter, you reap what you sow.

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True, true. Stupid bitch.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Quote me. Show me where I said that the ID system would be "used against us."

Here's three quotes;

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles ... but it's true that we're moving more and more toward omnipresent surveillance and tracking, and the disappearance of privacy...

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles ...The fact that nothing bad comes of something now doesn't imply that nothing bad can ever come of it...

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles That's because "motives" ultimately don't matter. Somebody can have the best motives in the world when seeking increased authority to take political action. They can be entirely noble and looking out for the good of the country. But the people who come after them may not be so noble. And that is the danger of powerful governments...

Happy?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I do think there have been many attempts to enlarge the authority of the executive branch, sometimes at the expense of individual liberties... ...I think that the people doing this stuff see themselves as doing it for the good of the country, even if the results haven't been good at all.

Out of curiosity, how to you feel about gun ownership then?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles What I'm "all worked up about" is the fact that some people seem to have a limitless trust in the self-restraint of government officials, when that is very far from warranted.

And some people fight for a cause that doesn't even exist (nor does it need to exist) all because some liberal media outlet hyped it.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco liberal media outlet

fuck. youre so one-dimensional.

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pkc, stop "playing dumb"!!!!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN fuck. youre so one-dimensional.

lol...it all depends on your perspective, raisin. I'm not the only one in this country who sees a liberal leaning in CNN, The Boston Globe, L.A. Times, etc.

Why is it that the same people who think Fox News has an agenda just don't see one in their favorite news outlets?

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Originally posted by donnybrasco Here's three quotes; Happy?

Nope, because each of those quotes address "could," not "would." Even omni-surveillance won't necessarily be used for a bad purpose.

Don't erode important distinctions.

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Out of curiosity, how to you feel about gun ownership then?

I think individual gun ownership is a right that shouldn't be infringed upon.

Why do you ask? Thought you had me pegged as a brainless parrot of some typical leftist line?

And save me the bullshit about how I got my thoughts from the "liberal media." If you're going to treat this discussion as "pin the stereotype on the person," save your breath, because I won't be participating.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I think individual gun ownership is a right that shouldn't be infringed upon. Why do you ask? Thought you had me pegged as a brainless parrot of some typical leftist line?

Do you believe people should have the right to own Assault Rifles?

How do you feel about gun registration (which we have to excess in California)?

Do you believe in "waiting periods" before purchasing?

How about the right to carry?

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Originally posted by donnybrasco lol...it all depends on your perspective, raisin. I'm not the only one in this country who sees a liberal leaning in CNN, The Boston Globe, L.A. Times, etc. Why is it that the same people who think Fox News has an agenda just don't see one in their favorite news outlets?

Firstly, because outside dictatorial state-run media, I have never seen a more one-sided program than fox news. Ever. And as you can see in a recent thread in the PDD by lazFX, fox are now paying hard for their joke of a news outlet.

If stations like CNN DO have an agenda, they're far far more cunning about it than fox ever was. If you think CNN is as liberal as fox is conservative, then you're just flat-out wrong.

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