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idoru
You Can Call Me Al



Registered: May 2004
Location: Cascadia

quote:
Originally posted by neonstereo
well i think daft punk helped push things over the tipping point.. electronic music is now the mainstream throughout the world.


Bullshit. Daft Punk might've sold out arenas here, but that doesn't mean that "electronic music is now the mainstream throughout the world." One artist having great commercial success doesn't mean that a tremendously large genre of music with very diverse subgenres has suddenly skyrocketed in popularity.

Here's a challenge. Outside of Daft Punk, cite five more examples of commercial success in EDM that would help support your point. Don't bring up Underworlds latest US tour, either; they had to switch to smaller venues and knew in advance that they would be losing money.

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but without a wider audience, a lot of your favorite artists will probably fall into obscurity and reliant on their dayjobs to get them through.


And most of my favorite artists already do. Wanna know why? I'll respond to a previous post of yours...

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Are we all happy electronic music is becoming exposed to a larger audience? .. Yes!


Like I said earlier, no. I feel like elaborating this time around.

What is the goal of pop music? Money, plain and simple. If there has been one factor in the bastardization of most music it's money.

I think Chris Rock put it best...

“Music kind of sucks. Nobody’s into being a musician. Everybody’s getting their mogul on. You’ve been so infiltrated by this corporate mentality that all the time you’d spend getting great songs together, you’re busy doing nine other things that have nothing to do with art. You know how shitty Stevie Wonder’s songs would have been if he had to run a fuckin’ clothing company and a cologne line? … Rap sucks, for the most part. Not all rap, but as an art form it’s just not at its best moment. Sammy the Bull would have made a shitty album. And I don’t really have a desire to hear Warren Buffett’s album - or the new CD by Paul Allen. That’s what everybody’s aspiring to be.”

Want an example? Look at the latest television commercial for DirectTV. It's Beyonce dancing and singing a song about DirectTV. She's singing and telling you to buy it. She's being used so a corporation and herself can earn more money.

Rap and Hip-Hop have sounded the same for the last fifteen years. Same concept, same general lyrics, same bullshit. No rock band is trying anything interesting; there's a bass player, two guitar players, a vocalist and a drummer.

All of these pop bands don't have time to actually focus on the music anymore. Once they sign big-label contracts they lose total creative control. Every major label will have the artist(s) change parts of their song so that it will sell better.

So where, then, does the creativity lie?

In the artist that works at a fucking McDonalds 30 hours a week, goes home, sits in his studio in front of gear that he busted ass for years to earn (instead of having some big label go, "Okay, here, you can have all of this awesomeness for a few hours on this day."), and makes some fucking quality music because he wants to, not because some label is demanding that he meet deadlines. This guy will get off of their shift at 9PM on a Friday, bust their ass over to the club by 9:30, spin from 10:00-12:00, stay at the club until it closes at 2:00AM, help tear down gear until 4:00AM, and be back at work at 8:00AM.

That is where quality music comes from; someone with a passion for it, a desire for it. Not some fucking asshole who signed a major label contract because they want to be famous and are willing to sacrifice creative control over what essentially made them who they were in the first place.

It's fucking disgusting.

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Trance-Canada
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Calgary

quote:
Originally posted by factory81
I think that was awesome. I like 51 seconds in you can hear a little trance background noise come in. Then when it switches to the rap version and hes like "is this what you've been waiting for". Nice 2 minute stretch there....then the Daft Punk ending was the icing on the cake.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pDxT19wNtY4


yeah DP was good

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wotyzoid
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Am I getting the idea that somehow many people think Daft is selling out? WOW, have any of you who think that heard their last album. I clearly can't see how you find a song that says "ROBOT ROCK" 500078x mass appealing. I'm also against the colab with Kanye, but seariously...c'mon now.


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Lebezniatnikov
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This thread isn't very coherent, but for those disparaging the song or performance as not Daft Punk's best...

Look, it's not the greatest song of all-time or even one of the coolest performances, but it was a really neat collab between two producers on the top of their game in different genres. Take it for what it is.


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MrJiveBoJingles
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quote:
Originally posted by idoru
What is the goal of pop music? Money, plain and simple. If there has been one factor in the bastardization of most music it's money.

Yeah. What makes for good business doesn't necessarily make for good music, and the two are often antithetical. Good business means using any legal means available to broaden your market share, standardizing your product so people know what to expect, and giving people the same darn thing again and again as long as they keep paying for it.

But does that sound like a recipe for good music? No way. But always aiming for the "hit formula," whatever the climate of popular taste may dictate that formula to be, is what makes for the best business, so that is what many labels will do. And the artists who want to make a job of music and hence desperately want to get signed will form their own style according to the expectations of those labels. They'll start thinking not in terms of "What sounds the best to me?" or "How can I make this track more interesting / original?", but in terms of "How can I make my productions more attractive to labels?'

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bas
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quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
This thread isn't very coherent, but for those disparaging the song or performance as not Daft Punk's best...

Look, it's not the greatest song of all-time or even one of the coolest performances, but it was a really neat collab between two producers on the top of their game in different genres. Take it for what it is.

Exactly. I don't feel like Daft Punk is "selling out" either, more like Kanye trying to ride on someone else's success because he's pretty terrible at everything

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factory81
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quote:
Originally posted by wotyzoid
Well, Bangalter shot the film with the help Guy-Man directing so the two main robots with the "Daft Punk" jackets weren't them, they didn't appear in the movie once, in other words, yes people have portrayed the duo. Now if you want to go into a context battle then I plead once again, spear me.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cva_sGN_0VA
These 2 girls portrayed them here. I seen it!

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Ishkur
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Originally posted by idoru
Bullshit. Daft Punk might've sold out arenas here, but that doesn't mean that "electronic music is now the mainstream throughout the world." One artist having great commercial success doesn't mean that a tremendously large genre of music with very diverse subgenres has suddenly skyrocketed in popularity.

Here's a challenge. Outside of Daft Punk, cite five more examples of commercial success in EDM that would help support your point. Don't bring up Underworlds latest US tour, either; they had to switch to smaller venues and knew in advance that they would be losing money.



And most of my favorite artists already do. Wanna know why? I'll respond to a previous post of yours...



Like I said earlier, no. I feel like elaborating this time around.

What is the goal of pop music? Money, plain and simple. If there has been one factor in the bastardization of most music it's money.

I think Chris Rock put it best...

“Music kind of sucks. Nobody’s into being a musician. Everybody’s getting their mogul on. You’ve been so infiltrated by this corporate mentality that all the time you’d spend getting great songs together, you’re busy doing nine other things that have nothing to do with art. You know how shitty Stevie Wonder’s songs would have been if he had to run a fuckin’ clothing company and a cologne line? … Rap sucks, for the most part. Not all rap, but as an art form it’s just not at its best moment. Sammy the Bull would have made a shitty album. And I don’t really have a desire to hear Warren Buffett’s album - or the new CD by Paul Allen. That’s what everybody’s aspiring to be.”

Want an example? Look at the latest television commercial for DirectTV. It's Beyonce dancing and singing a song about DirectTV. She's singing and telling you to buy it. She's being used so a corporation and herself can earn more money.

Rap and Hip-Hop have sounded the same for the last fifteen years. Same concept, same general lyrics, same bullshit. No rock band is trying anything interesting; there's a bass player, two guitar players, a vocalist and a drummer.

All of these pop bands don't have time to actually focus on the music anymore. Once they sign big-label contracts they lose total creative control. Every major label will have the artist(s) change parts of their song so that it will sell better.

So where, then, does the creativity lie?

In the artist that works at a fucking McDonalds 30 hours a week, goes home, sits in his studio in front of gear that he busted ass for years to earn (instead of having some big label go, "Okay, here, you can have all of this awesomeness for a few hours on this day."), and makes some fucking quality music because he wants to, not because some label is demanding that he meet deadlines. This guy will get off of their shift at 9PM on a Friday, bust their ass over to the club by 9:30, spin from 10:00-12:00, stay at the club until it closes at 2:00AM, help tear down gear until 4:00AM, and be back at work at 8:00AM.

That is where quality music comes from; someone with a passion for it, a desire for it. Not some fucking asshole who signed a major label contract because they want to be famous and are willing to sacrifice creative control over what essentially made them who they were in the first place.

It's fucking disgusting.



best. post. ever.

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neo geo
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I personally thought it was a killer performance. I like both styles of music and I'm glad to see them collaborating.


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idoru
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best. post. ever.


Coming from Ishkur? Thanks.

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Yeah good post man.#

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friggin shit post












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