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Originally posted by Intangible digi-rant

But you know that I'm going to write tinier than ever now. If you want to "cheat", just do what Pat said: hold down Ctrl and scroll down with the mouse wheel. Or press Ctrl and +. Have fun!

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Originally posted by DigiNut But you know that I'm going to write tinier than ever now. If you want to "cheat", just do what Pat said: hold down Ctrl and scroll down with the mouse wheel. Or press Ctrl and +. Have fun!

arent you clever! i didnt get the click scroll thing because I use a lap top... thank you. ill start reading the digi-rants

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Originally posted by Intuition Oh, morality. The very existence of this thread and the conversations in it tell us the magnitude of the amount of work that has to be done to transform society. Relativity is what we use to make ourselves feel better (and in no wise am I saying that I'm exempt from this by any means), but a standard exists whether we like to admit it or not.

A paragraph of words, but you've said absolutely nothing.

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Originally posted by DigiNut The greatest irony to me is that if some of these cheaters spent half as much effort on actually studying as they did on cheating, they'd probably ace the courses easily.

This is a fallacy. It really doesn't take all that much time to cram info on a cheat sheet. It would take a lot longer to memorize all of it.

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Originally posted by MikeyN is it cheating, or is it taking full advantage of the tools i'm given. bit of both.

I cannot for the life of me see this as cheating. This goes right along with what PatPicos was explaining. Ultimately, your power and knowledge are tested in your ability to understand the fundamental aspects of your trade, and apply tools to a problem resolution. I do not understand how regurgitating formulas, and not understanding why you are using them or where, is a legitimate test of your knowledge or skill.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur A paragraph of words, but you've said absolutely nothing.

Sorry, that post was for discerning eyes only, and obviously inappropriate in a forum where people are justifying varying methodologies. Forgot this was TA.

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Originally posted by Intuition Sorry, that post was for discerning eyes only, and obviously inappropriate in a forum where people are justifying varying methodologies. Forgot this was TA.

obviously

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I haven't read this whole thread so forgive me if I repeat anything..

Honestly.. I don't care about cheating ... But what I consider cheating may be different than most people.. My friends and I would alternate who did the homework then go over it together and copy the original and fix any mistakes .. and we always had little tricks for tests and things

I don't think its immoral or wrong in any way .. but I don't really care as long as I pass

I have no respect for the idiots that just buy essays and plagiarize and don't learn anything and don't even attempt to learn anything ... I think my method is just a bit of a time saver

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur This is a fallacy. It really doesn't take all that much time to cram info on a cheat sheet. It would take a lot longer to memorize all of it.

Cheat sheets hidden in the bathroom are only one type of cheating. I'm thinking of courses where we were allowed cheat sheets, and people went to very elaborate lengths to smuggle in entire problem sets (with answers) or put them onto their PDAs because they didn't know how to solve them.

I think the average time spent trying to key those things onto a mobile device in half-readable form was greater than the time that would have been spent just working through the problems. And that's not counting the time spent on indexing and proofing it. What a waste.

Even in your case though, it might not be that hard or time-consuming to cram "info" onto "a" cheat sheet, but that assumes you know the limited subset of information that you would be tested for. Most of our courses weren't like that, and anything in the hundreds/thousands of pages of course material was fair game. You didn't really have to memorize any of it if you knew how to derive it, but some people were apparently more keen to try and cram 300 different derived formulas instead of learning the 2 fundamental ones that actually mattered.

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My prof last year told the class all about how cheaters used to bring in several handwritten answers to essay-length questions that they were betting might be on a midterm... can you imagine how much time that must take? Why not simply study for real? Boggling.