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Lira
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Location: Brasilia, Brazil
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| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
I just feel like "NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING SO BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG" serves to render more credibility to the religious. |
Funny how I actually feel the opposite. As a matter of fact, if we take all three statements:
- (My) God exists.
- No God exists.
- Both (a) and (b) are wrong
All of them are equally arrogant, granting no advantage to either side, specially because (c) is simply absurd. (A) because it makes an unwarranted claim that one's personal belief is true even though there's no evidence. (B) because of the vagueness concerning the word "God", so it would have to exclude pretty much every possible conception of the word, including a possible pantheist meaning, which renders this claim absurd.
This doesn't mean, however, that atheism is less likely to be true than theism. Quite on the contrary, as a refutation of theism, it's a lot more robust, given the fact that theism has to first define "What God is" and, given the fact that one interpretation must be (even if partially) right, a claim supporting the existence of a particular God is certainly more fragile than its negative equivalent.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Indeed. But for me, the difference is that atheism isnt a group of like-minded individuals that attempt to dominate government policy or school curriculum. what was it, 35% (or more) of americans believe in a young earth?? and yet im labelled as "the same" as those wackos because i oppose these enemies of science? bollocks. |
Who said that? I'm just a bit lost here, pkc 
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Lira
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| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
The fundamental ideologies of the world begin at...
1. God exists.
2. God does not exist.
3. Everything is God.
From these 3 is what people's basic morals are based from. |
Not necessarily. Buddhism, for instance, is known not to care about theism at all1. Personally, I don't see why I should care about the existence of God, given the fact that it's not part of my daily life. I'd first think about my peers, then about other animals, then about other living creatures, and only then, about any supernatural entity.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Virtually every clueless fuck on TA.
"oh, youre just the same as the christians. Atheism is the same as christianity. White is the same as black. islam is a religion of peace." |
Hence why they're clueless
1 Here's an interesting paragraph concerning this aspect of Buddhism:| quote: | | Instead of taking an interest in metaphysics and academic theories, the Buddha deals with problems per se and approaches them in a concrete way. This is again something which is very much in agreement with western ideas about utilitarianism. That is, if something works, use it. It is very much a part of western political, economic and scientific philosophy. This attitude of pragmatism is clearly expressed in the Culamalunkya Sutra where the Buddha made use of the example of the wounded man. The man wounded by an arrow wishes to know who shoots the arrow, from which direction it comes, whether the arrow head is made of bone or iron, whether the shaft is of this kind of wood or another before he will have the arrow removed. This man is likened to those who would like to know about the origin of the Universe, whether the world is eternal or not, finite or not before they will undertake to practise a religion. Just as the man in the parable will die before he has all the answers he wants regarding the origin and nature of the arrow, such people will die before they will ever have the answers to all their irrelevant questions. This exemplifies what we call the Buddha’s practical attitude. It has a lot to say about the whole question of priorities and problem solving. We would not make much progress developing wisdom if we ask the wrong question. It is essentially a question of priority. The first priority for all of us is the problem of suffering. The Buddha recognized this and said it is of no use for us to speculate whether the world is eternal or not because we all have got an arrow in our chest, the arrow of suffering. We have to ask questions that will lead to the removal of this arrow. One can express this in a very simple way. We can see that in our daily life, we constantly make choices based on priority. If, for instance, we happen to be cooking something on the stove and we decide that while the beans are boiling we will dust the house, and as we dust the house we smell something burning. We have to make the choice, whether to carry on with our dusting or whether to go to turn down the flame on the stove to save the beans. In the same way, if we want to make progress towards wisdom we have to recognize our priorities and this point is made very clearly in the parable of the wounded man. |
http://www.buddhanet.net/funbud1.htm
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Location: melbourne
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