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Originally posted by The17sss But where does he stand on what issues? And how has he thought about them? We don't know man, it's always changing and he's always dancing around shit and nuancing things to death. This isn't a comparison to McCain, I'm just sayin. P.S.- good to see you back in the political forum... been waiting for shit to spice up again!

Just watch all his responses in the saddleback forum vs. McCains.

The difference is painfully obvious.

On abortion:

"I come to that conclusion because I don't think women make these decisions casually"

vs.

"Life begins at conception. I have a 25 year pro-life record."

One of those tells me the candidate has really, thought, about the issue at hand and the depth of it, the other does not.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Q5echo so again, it's the intangibility thats attractive. i hope you understand that it's very hard to get on board with something that vague. because i have to be honest, where he stands on the issues has hardly been model of either consistency or definitiveness. and nuance is sometimes not a virtue

Nuance and detail are virtues when considering the amazingly complex issues the president will face. But you're right, for a presidential candidate, nuance is not a virtue.

And this should really be troubling to most people. That we've elevated knee jerk simplification and reactionary discussion over true debate.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis One of those tells me the candidate has really, thought, about the issue at hand and the depth of it, the other does not.

Obama has no business talking about the abortion issue after getting caught strait up lying about the infantacide bill he suppored, but said he didn't. His camp had to come clean on that the other day when he got busted.

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Originally posted by The17sss infantacide bill

Get that one from the even-handed Limbaugh?

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No... not from Rush. Doesn't matter where it came from, he got caught in a big lie regardless, and that speaks a lot of his character. And like the John Edwards deal, it's being ignored by the main stream media as usual.

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Originally posted by The17sss Obama has no business talking about the abortion issue after getting caught strait up lying about the infantacide bill he suppored, but said he didn't. His camp had to come clean on that the other day when he got busted.

I think he does.

That reply was smart. McCain's was not.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

I just say we wait till' the presidential debates.

Then, Obama lovers can talk.