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winston
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quote:
Originally posted by inconspicuous
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-FSP-
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quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
this kind of attitude is just as bad as the hipster attitude IMO

some people actually do enjoy talking about things like that


i mean if i went to art school, and i met someone else who went to art school, and it came up in conversation, that's what i would talk about. some people have different lives than you, get over it.


There's nothing wrong with liking those things at all.

Just because I like pop music, I like art that 5 year olds can't make, happy house tarnce, and enjoy summer super hero movies, and hate french existentialist films, and hate arrested development, doesn't mean I'm intellectually inferior/low brow which is what a lot of hipsters seem to think.

It's more that hipsters are putting the hip in hypocrisy. They like fancy, elegant things that rich people love and do, and pretend they're poor, and then drive tons of poor people out of their homes.

I'm not saying that gentrification is wrong or right, i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

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MrJiveBoJingles
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quote:
Originally posted by -FSP-
There's nothing wrong with liking those things at all.

Just because I like pop music, I like art that 5 year olds can't make, happy house tarnce, and enjoy summer super hero movies, and hate french existentialist films, and hate arrested development, doesn't mean I'm intellectually inferior/low brow which is what a lot of hipsters seem to think.

Hipsters look down on people for "liking art that five year olds can't make?"

I have heard that some hipsters will listen to pop music "ironically," whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Hipsters look down on people for "liking art that five year olds can't make?"

I have heard that some hipsters will listen to pop music "ironically," whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.


You know the bullshit post-modern art that a 5 year old could do. Ya know like a big white canvas with a blue pushpin stuck into the middle, etc...


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Old, but fitting...

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10 Rules Of Being A Minimal Hipster

1. If you have some money to spend, feel free to bring lots of cocaine and ketamine. Dont splurge it all on the actual party , as the after party is where your drugs count - expect to be feeding your favourite minimal DJs with tons of nose candy until late the next day. Be sure you can hang.

2. If you have a nice big flat and dont mind it being temporarily used as a crack house, be sure to offer it to your favourite minimal DJ before he or she leaves their respected party - be aware that you will most likely have no say on who actually attends the after party, but rest assure you are on your way to becoming a minimal hipster.

3. The haircut is very important, although it is very important - you must not let this be the DEFINING aspect. For tips on hipster haircuts, check on the internet for the latest pictures of Magda - be sure the photo is hot and up to date, as this commandment rotates about every 2 weeks - by that time there is thousands with the same haircut.

4. Underrated but very serious in your quest to minimal hyperstardom is the minimal scarf. Normally used by French artists say to the world "hey I am an artist, shuchameblah" this is now a sure-fire way to let everyone else know - hey I am down with the minimal sound. Current minimal hipsters who sport the minimal scarf include Luciano, Ricardo, Richie, Magda, Troy and Marc Houle.

5. If you ever have the chance to meet Richie Hawtin, when talking with him - make sure you agree with everything he says and most importantly REPEAT. If you do not have the pleasure of meeting him personally, but have a friend who has - just repeat to everyone what your friend has told you he said. If they are a true minimal hipster they will surely repeat their whole conversation anyway. With people such as Troy Pierce, Magda, Ricardo Villalobos, Luciano, this same rule applies to a lesser degree, but still enough to get you on your way.

6. This one is very important, forget about your health and live for the moment. You must be willing to take as many drugs as your favourite minimal superstar DJ. As long as your are willing to party until the last moment on a broad combination of drugs all at the same time, such as Ketamine, Mdma, lots and lots of cocaine, speed, LSD and the occasional mushrooms you will surely be accepted and furthermore run the possibility of being admired. You can never imagine the power of totally ruining your body and mind in the conquest to being a minimal hype star.

7. This one is simple! Keep it superficial. Under no circumstances should you have a conversation with some depth or meaning. Recommended topics of discussion are haircuts, the newest minus record, how cool Magda is, how much drugs Ricardo took the night before, how cool the current party is, and how amazing of a musician Luciano is. Just tell yourself over and over, this is not actually being superficial - its just being minimal.

8. Sex, Sex, Sex - in the minimal hipster world you should never expect to get laid before 48 hours of straight partying. Even if you have a special liking for that certain someone, keep in mind that if they too are an aspiring minimal hipster like yourself they will most definitely be at that after-hours, and where better place to get down to sexual business. (This is the time when taste, memory and morals are all flushed down the toilet) If you are a female, this is the time where your chances are highest of scoring with your favourite minimal superstar DJ, therefore immediately catapulting yourself into minimal stardom.(most of the time you will just settle for someone who knows Richie Hawtin).

9. Be sure to constantly read the writing of PHILIP SHERBURNE - he is the man who will always keep you informed on the newest and best hype on the internet. DO NOT EVER QUESTION HIS INTENTIONS OR MENTION THE FACT THAT ALL HE WRITES ABOUT IS HOW COOL RICARDO, RICHIE HAWTIN, MAGDA, LUCIANO, ROBAG WRUHME AND MUTEK CREW IS. He is literally the man to go to if you want to be fed with the minimal hype. Although it seems as if he is desperately trying to fit in and be accepted, everyone should realize HE HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCPETED. He just loves his role as minimal hipster so much that he wants to spread the love. As with Richie Hawtin the same rule applies to Mr. Sherburne, everything he writes or says AKNOWLEDGE, AGREE AND REPEAT.

10. THE MINIMAL CAPITAL OF THE WORLD BERLIN! If you wish to be a minimal hypestar, one of the easiest ways is to come to Berlin with no plan and frequent places such as the famous drug spots like bar25, club de visionarie and panoramabar. It is these locations in which your minimal fantasies become realities - expect to see people like Richie Hawtin, Matt John, Konrad Black, Troy Pierce and Magda totally out of their minds and much more easy to approach. It is here that you can forge those life long, superficial - I mean minimal relationships.

These rules are meant in no specific order - ONE MORE GOLDEN RULE! Dont forget minus is the best label to surface in the last decade with its revolutionary stance on music. Almost as if they coined the term minimal.


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MrJiveBoJingles
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whiskers
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quote:
Originally posted by kadomony







there ya go



yup. seen a lot of them in new york at the MGMT concert.


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flavdave
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quote:
Originally posted by inconspicuous
Wall of Sound.


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diesel_tron3000
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yeah hipsters are mad annoying go to nyc if you want to see what i mean. they're just like extra skinny college kids who think they are tough because they always roll in numbers and listen to terrible music. unfortunately they're almost always anti-capitalist even though the clothing they wear is designer, at least for the chicks i think. can anyone clarify this last point?


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I find most hipsters to simply be skinny white liberal metro-sexuals who listen to shit music.

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gl.tch
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Toronto

Reply to the adbusters article by Sarah Barmak of the Toronto Star

quote:
Hipsters and the death of cool

It used to be you wore your politics in your Doc Marten laces. Today, youth culture has drained even potent symbols like the keffiyeh of any meaning. Is that such a bad thing?

Aug 16, 2008 04:30 AM

Sarah Barmak
Staff Reporter

Walk past Queen West club The Social any given night and there they are, smoking in packs on the sidewalk, skinny jeans, thick-rimmed glasses, ironically ugly cardigans and greasy hair all congealing into a look both meticulous and haggard. Inside, they dance to Madonna and Goldfrapp, Souljah Boy and Faster Pussycat, stopping occasionally to sip bottles of 50 and to pose for photos that will appear the next morning on blogs like Last Night's Party. Just don't call them hipsters, please.

A minor firestorm has been set off in the past few weeks by a cover story in the recent edition of anti-corporate glossy Adbusters. Subtly entitled "Hipster: The Dead End of Western Civilization," the piece argues that youth culture is nothing more than self-obsessed consumerism. Counter-essays on the blogs of Gavin McInnes, a former editor of magazine Vice, and contributor and artist Momus, have stepped up the debate, and scores of commenters have weighed in lambasting the story's author, Douglas Haddow.

These contortions might seem funny to U of T professor Joseph Heath and columnist Andrew Potter (if they read Adbusters, an unlikely prospect); their 2004 book The Rebel Sell: Why the Culture Can't Be Jammed argued not only that youth culture is based on consumerism, but that it always has been. Since The Doors' "Light My Fire" was nearly used in a 1968 TV ad for Buicks ("Come on, Buick, light my fire"), they argue, the marketplace has been driven by our desire to buy things that culture has deemed "cool," from blue jeans to Converse.

Discussing the Adbusters article on the culture message board Stillepost.ca, commenter "minister of hate" seemed to be saying as much when she argued that "'60s youth had their images sold back to them just as much as today's youth (and probably every other pop/subcultural movement) ... Were disco fanatics in the '70s, dancing and cocaine, politically loaded? What about the New Romantic trend of the '80s? What about raves?"

If youth culture has never been solely concerned with serious political change – on the contrary, it has often been marked by disaffection, apathy and drug abuse – then why, exactly, do today's hipsters, with their appetite for hedonism, inspire so much angst? Is all this hand-wringing anything new?

We tend to be fairly nostalgic about the political protests of the '60s and the anarchist punk fury of the '70s. But the Adbusters piece also betrayed a desire to return to a time when subcultural style itself – the subtle codes of underground aesthetics – meant something. It rails against "fashion-conscious twentysomethings hanging about and sporting a number of predictable stylistic trademarks: skinny jeans, cotton spandex leggings, fixed-gear bikes, vintage flannel, fake eyeglasses and a keffiyeh ... The American Apparel V-neck shirt, Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and Parliament cigarettes are symbols and icons of working or revolutionary classes that have been appropriated by hipsterdom and drained of meaning."

Contrast that with the vibrant description of the subversive style of '60s mods by admiring cultural theorist Dick Hebdige in 1979: "The motor scooter, originally an ultra-respectable means of transport, was turned into a menacing symbol of group solidarity ... Union jacks were emblazoned on the backs of grubby parka anoraks or cut up and converted into smartly tailored jackets ... the conventional insignia of the business world – the suit, collar and tie, short hair, etc. – were stripped of their original connotations – efficiency, ambition, compliance with authority – and transferred into `empty' fetishes, objects to be desired, fondled and valued in their own right."

By taking the signature look of British conformity and "emptying" it, or placing it in the context of their angry, pill-popping rebellion, the mods subverted the very symbols of the ruling class in an act of what Hebdige identified as bricolage. In contrast, by taking accessories associated with the working class (cheap beer and cigarettes), revolutionary Palestinians (the much-maligned keffiyeh) and eco-conscious youth (the fixed-gear bike) and rendering them "empty" fashion items, critics charge that hipsterdom has reversed the decades spent by youth recoding the dominant aesthetic to communicate their own urgent messages. Instead of poor kids wearing ties and changing their meaning to reflect their values, we now have rich kids taking the symbols of the underclass and using them as trinkets of social distinction.

The outrage at hipsters is, it seems, much about class. Of course, what this argument leaves out is that bricolage has always gone both ways: What are designer jeans and adult contemporary jazz other than moneyed folks adopting and adapting parts of lowbrow culture?

Contrary to what Haddow believes, those under 30 still seem, strangely enough, to care about stuff – the hours spent arguing passionately about the very article that accused them of apathy is no mean example. What has changed is this: The way people communicate deep involvement – in social change, in discourse, in subculture – has gone from being a below-ground, analogue language of worn, spray-painted or stitched symbols to the daylight of blogs, message boards and other digital mouthpieces.

In the near-forgotten, pre-digital days before a mass SMS could ignite a flashmob, style warriors communicated subversive intent – or just membership in a subculture – with materials they had at the ready; the gritty semaphore of a plaid hanky in the back pocket, for example. If you saw someone in a Mohawk and Doc Martens, you had a good idea of her politics. Now, a hipster in a neon '80s fanny pack could be conservative or ultraliberal. The subversive function has largely faded from style, leaving us with mere fashion. So instead of speaking with our clothes, we broadcast opinions and start micro-movements online.

This has led us, perhaps wrongly, to conclude that kids are obsessed with the aesthetic. Maybe this is a good thing; as viral marketing increasingly controls consumer trends – Rob Walker's branding tome Buying In recounts how Pabst Blue Ribbon was subtly marketed to skateboarders, becoming the hipster quaff of choice it is now – mere mortals can't compete.

It's a trend we're beginning to see: At dance nights at Toronto's reggae bar Thymeless, the opposite of hipster chic reigns; DJs play a bass-heavy offshoot of the UK garage scene called dubstep, and crowds eschew skinny jeans for baggy cargo pants and un-ironic, total-body camouflage. Not that skinny jeans wouldn't be welcome – the kids just don't seem to care.

If style ceases to communicate the way it used to, then we may potentially see the death of cool as we know it.

Maybe it's about time.


http://www.thestar.com/News/article/479596


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hipsters are children of the baby boomers who have lots of their parents money, wear tight jeans, obnoxious thrift store t shirts, and do waaaay too much coke.


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