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The17sss
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what a fucking dumb whore. how desperate can one by for attention?

Old Post Oct-24-2008 20:16  United States
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wamp wamp:

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Charles Fried, a professor at Harvard Law School, has long been one of the most important conservative thinkers in the United States. Under President Reagan, he served, with great distinction, as Solicitor General of the United States. Since then, he has been prominently associated with several Republican leaders and candidates, most recently John McCain, for whom he expressed his enthusiastic support in January.

This week, Fried announced that he has voted for Obama-Biden by absentee ballot. In his letter to Trevor Potter, the General Counsel to the McCain-Palin campaign, he asked that his name be removed from the several campaign-related committees on which he serves. In that letter, he said that chief among the reasons for his decision "is the choice of Sarah Palin at a time of deep national crisis."


http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/...p-behind-obama/


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Originally posted by josh4
Not sure what to make of this one.

I told a co-worker yesterday that I thought that this was a good possibility. It's just too close to the election and fell into the "fear of the angry black man" motif that some supporters of McCain have been trying to sell.

Fucking bitch, it's insulting that this is only a misdemeanor crime. Oh, and right off the bat police were suspicious, but that didn't stop someone from leaking the story to Matt Drudge (and him from breaking it) before more facts had been established.


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quote:
Originally posted by josh4
Not sure what to make of this one.


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"If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain’s quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting."

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
wamp wamp:



http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/...p-behind-obama/

I love when it takes people 8-10 years to catch up, but nonetheless, I'm glad people are. Hopefully this cancer gets killed off soon. Contrary to the opinions of those like The17sss and Q5, I don't think that Obama is the Messiah, and do disagree with him on quite a few issues, but I'd rather be a "leftist intellectual" than not be an intellectual at all, and right now, there's no room on the right side for anyone learned.

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Civil War on the Right

By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Friday, October 24, 2008; A19

Conservatives are at each other's throats, and here's what's revealing about how divided they are: The critics of John McCain and the critics of Sarah Palin represent entirely different camps.

One set of critics, skeptical social conservatives, are precisely the people McCain was trying to mollify by picking Palin as his running mate. This includes the faithful of the religious right who remember McCain as their enemy in 2000 and parts of the gun crowd who always saw McCain as soft on their issues.

That McCain felt a need to make such an outlandishly risky choice speaks to how insecure his hold was on the core Republican vote. A candidate is supposed to rally the base during the primaries and reach out to the middle at election time. McCain got it backward, and it's hurting him.

A Pew Research Center survey this week found that among political independents, Palin's unfavorable rating has almost doubled since mid-September, from 27 to 50 percent. Whatever enthusiasm Palin inspired among conservative ideologues is more than offset by middle-of-the-road defections.

Even on the right, she hasn't done the job. In The Post tracking poll released yesterday, Barack Obama drew 22 percent of the vote from self-described conservatives. That's a seven-point gain on John Kerry's 2004 conservative share.

Yet the pro-Palin right is still impatient with McCain for not being tough enough -- as if he has not run one of the most negative campaigns in recent history. This camp believes that if McCain only shouted the names "Bill Ayers" and "Jeremiah Wright" at the top of his lungs, the whole election would turn around.

Then there are those conservatives who see Palin as a "fatal cancer to the Republican Party" (David Brooks), as someone who "doesn't know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin" (Kathleen Parker), as "a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics" (Peggy Noonan).

These conservatives deserve credit for acknowledging how ill-suited Palin is for high office. But what we see here is a deep split between parts of the conservative elite and much of the rank and file.

For years, many of the elite conservatives were happy to harvest the votes of devout Christians and gun owners by waging a phony class war against "liberal elitists" and "leftist intellectuals." Suddenly, the conservative writers are discovering that the very anti-intellectualism their side courted and encouraged has begun to consume their movement.

The cause of Edmund Burke, Leo Strauss, Robert Nisbet and William F. Buckley Jr. is now in the hands of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity -- and Sarah Palin. Reason has been overwhelmed by propaganda, ideas by slogans, learned manifestoes by direct-mail hit pieces.


And then there is George W. Bush. Conservatives once hailed him as creating an enduring majority on behalf of their cause. Now, they cast him as the goat in their story of decline.

The conservative critique of Bush is a familiar rant against his advocacy of big government and huge deficits -- now supplemented by horror over his embrace of actual socialism with the partial nationalization of big banks. And, yes, a fair number of conservatives were never wild about the adventure in Iraq.

Things are so bad that the internecine warriors on the right have begun copying the rhetoric of the old left. In a Washington Times column this week upbraiding dissidents such as Brooks and Noonan, Tony Blankley, the conservative writer and activist, fell back on an old left slogan, asking them: "Whose side are you on, comrade?"

This is a revelatory question. It arises when a movement has lost its sense of solidarity and purpose, when the "sides" are no longer clear. There is no unified "right" or "center-right," which is why we are no longer a conservative country, if we ever were.

Conservatism has finally crashed on problems for which its doctrines offered no solutions (the economic crisis foremost among them, thus Bush's apostasy) and on its refusal to acknowledge that the "real America" is more diverse, pragmatic and culturally moderate than the place described in Palin's speeches or imagined by the right-wing talk show hosts.


Conservatives came to believe that if they repeated phrases such as "Joe the Plumber" often enough, they could persuade working-class voters that policies tilted heavily in favor of the very privileged were actually designed with Joe in mind.

It isn't working anymore. No wonder conservatives are turning on each other so ferociously.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...8102302869.html


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Old Post Oct-24-2008 23:51  United States
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I love this. Sensible Republicans are defecting en masse to the opposition, while the Latinlover's of the country hold steadfast to their "stay the course" bullshit...


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The17sss
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quote:
Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Contrary to the opinions of those like The17sss and Q5, I don't think that Obama is the Messiah, and do disagree with him on quite a few issues, but I'd rather be a "leftist intellectual" than not be an intellectual at all, and right now, there's no room on the right side for anyone learned.


What issues do you disagree with Obama on? And like there isn't a civil war within the democrat party? Obama is supposed to be the great unifier. Did you already forget about the primarys? Clintonites were saying about Obama, and Obama saying about the Clintons, what they have been saying for decades about the Republicans. There were charges of racism on both sides of the Democrat presidential campaign, bringing up the drug use rumors, the drug selling rumors of Barack Obama, the criticism of Sidney Poitier being compared to Obama and vice-versa as a sellout going to the white folks' home for dinner... Hillary's moment of saying "So what? Were it not for a Democrat president, what Dr. King did would never have happened," in response to Obama praising MLK... Bill being accused by the Obama campaign of being racist while campaigning in SC... Hillary playing the gender card and crying to get sympathy... the Dems are the originators of identity politics and got caught up in it like crazy as the primary heated up. Good that you consider yourself as an "intellectual" though... I needed one last good laugh before going to bed.

Old Post Oct-25-2008 02:31  United States
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quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
I love this. Sensible Republicans are defecting en masse to the opposition, while the Latinlover's of the country hold steadfast to their "stay the course" bullshit...


They aren't sensible... they are just preserving their own self interests and doing what they think will keep them in the circle of power in Washington. I say good riddence... now we know who they are and they will not be welcome back in the Republican party. My feelings about those Benedict Arnolds are summed up nicely by Charles Krauthammer (who even with the appearance of a snapping turtle can sum it up eloquently):

quote:
McCain Gets My Vote: I'm for the guy who can tell the lion from the lamb:


"Contrarian that I am, I’m voting for John McCain. I’m not talking about bucking the polls or the media consensus that it’s over before it’s over. I’m talking about bucking the rush of wet-fingered conservatives leaping to Barack Obama before they’re left out in the cold without a single state dinner for the next four years.

I stand athwart the rush of conservative ship-jumpers of every stripe — neo (Ken Adelman), moderate (Colin Powell), genetic/ironic (Christopher Buckley) and socialist/atheist (Christopher Hitchens) — yelling “Stop!” I shall have no part of this motley crew. I will go down with the McCain ship. I’d rather lose an election than lose my bearings.

First, I’ll have no truck with the phony case ginned up to rationalize voting for the most liberal and inexperienced presidential nominee in living memory. The “erratic” temperament issue, for example. As if McCain’s risky and unsuccessful but in no way irrational attempt to tactically maneuver his way through the economic tsunami that came crashing down a month ago renders unfit for office a man who demonstrated the most admirable equanimity and courage in the face of unimaginable pressures as a prisoner of war, and who later steadily navigated innumerable challenges and setbacks, not the least of which was the collapse of his campaign just a year ago.

McCain the “erratic” is a cheap Obama talking point. The 40-year record testifies to McCain the stalwart.

Nor will I countenance the “dirty campaign” pretense. The double standard here is stunning. Obama ran a scurrilous Spanish-language ad falsely associating McCain with anti-Hispanic slurs. Another ad falsely claimed McCain supports “cutting Social Security benefits in half.” And for months Democrats insisted that McCain sought 100 years of war in Iraq.

McCain’s critics are offended that he raised the issue of William Ayers. What’s astonishing is that Obama was himself not offended by William Ayers.

Moreover, the most remarkable of all tactical choices of this election season is the attack that never was. Out of extreme (and unnecessary) conscientiousness, McCain refused to raise the legitimate issue of Obama’s most egregious association — with the race-baiting Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Dirty campaigning, indeed.

The case for McCain is straightforward. The financial crisis has made us forget, or just blindly deny, how dangerous the world out there is. We have a generations-long struggle with Islamic jihadism. An apocalyptic, soon-to-be-nuclear Iran. A nuclear-armed Pakistan in danger of fragmentation. A rising Russia pushing the limits of revanchism. Plus the sure-to-come Falklands-like surprise popping out of nowhere.

Who do you want answering that phone at 3 a.m.? A man who’s been cramming on these issues for the last year, who’s never had to make an executive decision affecting so much as a city, let alone the world? A foreign-policy novice instinctively inclined to the flabbiest, most vaporous multilateralism (e.g., the Berlin Wall came down because of “a world that stands as one”), and who refers to the most deliberate act of war since Pearl Harbor as “the tragedy of 9/11,” a term more appropriate for a bus accident?

Or do you want a man who is the most prepared, most knowledgeable, most serious foreign-policy thinker in the United States Senate? A man who not only has the best instincts, but has the honor and the courage to, yes, put country first, as when he carried the lonely fight for the surge that turned Iraq from catastrophic defeat into achievable strategic victory?

There’s just no comparison. Obama’s own running mate warned this week that Obama’s youth and inexperience will invite a crisis — indeed a crisis “generated” precisely to test him. Can you be serious about national security and vote on November 4 to invite that test?

And how will he pass it? Well, how has he fared on the only two significant foreign policy tests he has faced since he’s been in the Senate? The first was the surge. Obama failed spectacularly. He not only opposed it. He tried to denigrate it, stop it, and — finally — deny its success.

The second test was Georgia, to which Obama responded instinctively with evenhanded moral equivalence, urging restraint on both sides. McCain did not have to consult his advisers to instantly identify the aggressor.

Today’s economic crisis, like every other in our history, will in time pass. But the barbarians will still be at the gates. Whom do you want on the parapet? I’m for the guy who can tell the lion from the lamb.

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Originally posted by The17sss
They aren't sensible... they are just preserving their own self interests and doing what they think will keep them in the circle of power in Washington. I say good riddence... now we know who they are and they will not be welcome back in the Republican party. My feelings about those Benedict Arnolds are summed up nicely by Charles Krauthammer (who even with the appearance of a snapping turtle can sum it up eloquently):


Congratulations. What's left of your party are the ideological nut jobs which brought the party down in flaming glory. Have fun losing the election.


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All of a sudden Powell feels inspired by Obama... he endorses him because he feels inspired by Obama(one of the most liberal senators) and Obama is a reflection of his beliefs I believe the man! Although, he shows sympathy for the "negative" treatment that Obama has been getting for his years of association with all these radical characters. So, why dosent General Powell show the same sympathy towards vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin? I guess that in Powells world Palin has been getting the most fair treatment.

The hypocricy of this man shows! Shame on you General. You should have kept your mouth shut to atleast preserve some credibility.... if it is that you still have some.


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Old Post Oct-25-2008 03:57  United States
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The hypocricy of this man shows! Shame on you General. You should have kept your mouth shut to atleast preserve some credibility.... if it is that you still have some.


GOP mantra. SHUT UP AND OBEY.


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quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
What issues do you disagree with Obama on?

I dunno, coming from western PA and harboring 5 guns that are mine and stored at my parents' place, gun control isn't a hotspot on my agenda of Obama agreement. I know, this must be stunning...

At the same time, I realize that they aren't suitable for my NYC apartment because there's not the same use for them here. It quite frustrates me that people can't see both sides of these issues (and I'm not just a supporter of gun rights for hunting).


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We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

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