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| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
the thing is i think all of us listen to just more than techno and put a genre label on what we play because it is easier for people to swallow and people like labels.
(not trying to self promote) but if you look at the sets, there are still some progressive elements(insomniac delights is way closer to what digweed would play than hawtin...ichs mein techs mex has deep house and funky mastiksoul in it...ect), trancy tech house (it would be called trance if the bpm was higher), and on top of that although i do like mnml i do not play very much real mnml and usually use it as a dj tool for layering. I have been collecting records since the 90's and have all genres, which will only be disposable to those who chose to make it so. Musics relevance in 30 years time is only relevant depending on the person and his preference. Electronic music as a whole is irrelevant to the mainstream (barring perhaps the 90's house explosion and euro), so even the subject of relevance is subjective. I have a shit tons of trance, i just don't really feel like playing it, it does not mean i hate it. |
Ok, from the "Dark Sun Machine", its mostly this new-wave of minimalistic techno stuff. Now, i don't want to criticise your sets because im not simply into that kind of music (and as you said before its like asking a progr-rock fan comment on death metal-i found the prog-rock analogy better than hip-hop-and you know a prog-rock fan would tell you just his view of death-metal and it would probably be that "death-metal is shit" which...is just...a view...a correct one...)
Now i don't know about what is going to be "relative" in 30 years time and i can see what you are saying about everything being relevant (subjective maybe?) etc. But man, the truth is that in 30 years time...no one in the world is gonna remember music like the one featured in your sets (sorry if your other sets have different music i just base my opinion on this one although from the track selection of your other sets i can clearly see what you are about), and when i say "no one", i mean NO ONE, in an absolute way not as in expression. I'm not doing it to review or criticise your sets, there are other people into this kind of music who gonna do that, its this particular kind of music im criticising here. These tracks are not going to be remembered in like 3 years time not in 30 (well they may be remembered by the producers themselves).
I know about the "subjectivity" of music and stuff, but hell, lets be realistic here, this music is not to be taken seriously, its just quirky, funny music made for the purposes of instant, short-lived fun, not as a piece of art. Ok, it may be nice to DJ and have fun to such music (although i would leave the club immediately despite the fact that coke can be a helluva drug)but its not something to praise as a kind of serious listening experience, this is common sense. It pisses me off wen people support this kind of music as something serious, the reason being that if all people jump in whatever shit bondwagon exists at the moment, well, EDM is not progressing in the good (right is not appropriate i guess) direction man.
These "producers" spawn-out dumbed-down mindless, stupid-as-hell tracks by the bucketload just to sell whatever they can in beatport, at least in the short amount of time these tracks are gonna be remembered, and even if producers start doing it for the purposes of "aletrantive and/or experimental artistic expression" they end-up doing it because its hot at the moment, it sells and because damn labels are not gonna sign the tracks if they are not dumbed-down, mindless click-and-glitch bollocks that sell, because some drunk,modern drugged-out low-life punter like to dance his/her head-off in a dodgy club.And don't sell me this is the "underground", underground and EDM have absolutely nothing in common nowadays. These tracks are so "underground" they are just a click-away hell.These tracks are not going to be forgotten (in 3 years time-maximum) because they are not famous, but because they are shit lol.
Anyway, i don't see why you keep mentioning trance, no-one ever mentioned trance except maybe Trance-MB a few pages back, and no-one i think ever told explicitly that Trentemoller is minimal, although i can see that his music (at least the one featured in the album) is a mix of the modern minimalistic techno stuff,maybe a bit of IDM,as well as dub, trip-hop and post-rock elements (these genres apply selectively for some of the tracks). He has some more pure "minimal/dub techno" tracks e.g. "Chameleon", "Nightwalker", "Evil Dub" are exactly made in the style of the Basic Channel/Chain Reaction minimal/dub techno stuff, plus some tracks like "Polar Shift" and "Nam Nam" are related to this nu-school clicks-and-glitches minimalistic techno style. But this post is not about genres lol.
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), so its not about BPM speed, but more about the elements of a tune e.g. to be "atmospheric" with nice pads or some nice melody layered with some hypnotic rhythm or very upbeat groove etc. (although i rarely listen to EDM now)
