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Originally posted by Yohan i thought this was more of a girl thing

No, girls want general affection (or expensive presents) or attention.

Guys want to know that their lady wants to ride the salami slide all the time.

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well then

i'm clueless when it comes to girls so don't mind me!

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

I can't believe some of you are making excuses or justifying cheating. How?

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Originally posted by kr00t0n salami slide

Shit I spat my drink out.

i think this thread has the most attempts of self justification and examples of self contradiction in TA history.

no matter what justifications you give yourself to feel better, it will never change the selfishness of the act itself.

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Originally posted by Frenchie I can't believe some of you are making excuses or justifying cheating. How?

That's exactly what I'm trying to understand! I usually debate with you for the sake of it, but this time around, we're on the same boat

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Originally posted by Lira That's exactly what I'm trying to understand! I usually debate with you for the sake of it, but this time around, we're on the same boat

Holy crap! That's unheard of. I'm not sure I like this.

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Originally posted by Frenchie Shit I spat my drink out.

And I made it up then and there.

*proud*

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Originally posted by Lira Here's what's left to ask ourselves: Does belief in free-will really make us (or give us the impression that we're) more independent

Of course. Why would it not? If you see your behavior as "caused" by circumstances external to you rather than as an effect of your will, then any temptation can become an excuse for acting in some way that hurts other people.

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Originally posted by Frenchie Holy crap! That's unheard of. I'm not sure I like this.

Yeah, it feels weird.

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Ben, where the hell are you?

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Cheating per se is probably biologically advantageous; whatever subjective moral framework we impose upon the behavior of human beings strikes me as a giant, rancid red herring.

The real reason we should view cheating as repugnant - if we should at all - seems to be that, as a breach of an express or implied commitment, it reduces the ability of human beings generally to rely on the commitments of others, and thereby discourages interdependence and cooperation, which reduces behavioral efficiency.

Of course, that leaves open the question of whether some particular commitment in question has sufficient utility to be justified. If we can efficiently determine that a particular commitment does not, then the prudent thing would seem to be to simply refrain from making it, although, considering how emotionally fragile human beings tend to be, this may be generally impracticable.