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| quote: | Originally posted by Aortik
You and Krypton. 
Just because you can label something as a fallacy doesn't mean it isn't a point worthy of addressing, unless you earnestly feel that you are so intellectually gorged, to even address a baser point would be below your standards. Which I'm really not buying.
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When the original point is about gun collectors and NOT about crazy god-worshipping-gun-in-every-pocket "patriots", your point is irrelevant as an argument.
| quote: | Originally posted by Aortik
Regardless, I'm not talking about people who collect guns... I mean people who have an arsenal beneath their house, sleep with a gun beneath their pillow, keep one in their glove compartment, buy them for their children, carry one with them at all times, etc. When it has come to the point of such paranoia, seditious and violent political views are rarely far around the corner, and these same people would espouse their God and country-given right to bear arms as some call to fight the establishment that they beg permission of in the first place. Don't tell me you haven't known anyone like this.
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You were doing well there in that paragraph and I am glad I don't actually know any such people. But the conversation was about gun collectors. Not paranoia.
| quote: | Originally posted by Aortik
I understand your sensitive little objections to all of this, under the presumption that guns don't kill people, etc~ The fact still stands that the primary reason most people would obtain a firearm is because somebody else near them is either known to have one or may have one. I can tolerate dangerous hobbies - what people do to themselves is of little concern to me. But when it affects everybody, strict regulation is necessary in a civic sense.
As for collectors, your desire for explosions and utility could be served with a thousand other collections that have nothing to do with killing people. An adult attraction to guns and weaponry is born of institutionalized bloodlust; the attraction is not the flash of it, a glimmering harbinger of childhood ways, but the power a gun holds over another man. You are quite correct in comparing an interest in guns to that of boyhood pursuits. But children have also been known to torture small mammals - just because a citizen is interested in this little bit of sadistic sentimentality doesn't mean it should be allowed by any governing body. |
Once again, I don't give a crap about guns. I was just pointing out how the anti-gun people in this thread and in general always seem to lump everyone into one 'crazy' category and then use that as a basis to support their anti-gun shouts. Also, your "torturing small mammals" analogy is just... well, just an analogy. And another straw man, in fact: "having guns = boyhood pursuits = institutionalized bloodlust = boys torture small mammals = adults who own guns are sadistic = let's govern them". Really?
As for "sensitive little objections" or "boyhood pursuits" - I hope you're comfortable on your verbose "glimmering harbinger" of a high horse.
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