what do u mean master clip at 100dB???

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Originally posted by palm what do u mean master clip at 100dB???

lol he just exaggerated to prove a point..

and he didnt say at.. he said a. ^^

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force so what if channels clip? u have 32bit floating point internal processing bitdepth whats the problem? if your master clips but it sounds exactly like you want it to... lower the fucking volume on the master. Duh? Its ok on the master? No, clipping is NOT ok on the master.. lol thats where its absolutely not ok... U say u checked a lot of tracks from professional DJs/producers and almost every track has clipping in it? I assume u checked mp3 files for the most part? U are aware the soundwaves of a track will be altered when u convert it to mp3 etc, unless you really know how to do the conversion without chance of introducing inter-sample clipping? Thats probably why u saw clipping in so many tracks. Because u checked mp3 files.

You're right and you're wrong, but this whole topic is so overdone now.

For the last time, clipping is never good on individual tracks simply because the clipping is actually distortion, unless that is what you're going for. Turn that track down if it's clipping. If you loose that track because you had to turn it down then compress it and make up the gain. It 'aint that difficult.

You computer might well be operating at 32bit floating point but that's not going to help you at all when you're DAW is running at 16 or 24 bit.

Yes you can turn down the master but that means you're losing overall dynamic range, and also there's no need to turn down the master if you just balance your tracks properly - any mix engineer will tell you that.

...But I also agree that if it sounds right it doesn't matter that a track clips a few times in a 5 minute song. Close you're eyes and if you can't tell it's clipping then don;t worry about it.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN You computer might well be operating at 32bit floating point but that's not going to help you at all when you're DAW is running at 16 or 24 bit.

Tell me.. What DAW are you using?

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Yes you can turn down the master but that means you're losing overall dynamic range

32 bit floating point has a dynamic range around 1500 dB. The threshold for pain is 130 dB. Hearing loss and trauma occurs at 160 dB. Even 24 bit has a dynamic range of 140 dB..

The massive headroom of 32 bit floating point is what enables you to pile on tracks, and lower the master fader when the summed signal cannot be represented anymore by the INTEGER bits of your sound card. Lowering the master fader is changing the scaling value as the floating point values are converted to integer bits for the audio card. You lose virtually no dynamic range mate.