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Originally posted by DJ RANN Not you again

shut up you got owned, go play with ur little mytek

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Originally posted by Beatflux Read my post above.

reaper supports dual cores and it is free if you really don't feel like. THe problem with most DAWs is that they are built upon dodgy code.

Beatflux..so according to your post, you don't use any DAW. Nice. Atleast the advice you quoted from that guy removes every single available DAW from your options, if you were to follow it.

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Originally posted by cronodevir FLStudio is coded by two guys in their spare time. I never said Linux was a better choice for EDM than Windows, I simply said its a very valid choice. Id go so far as to say Mac and Linux are on the same level in terms of ability to make music on them. Though for anyone who does actually care about their computer and uses it alot and likes to maintain everything, id say Linux is the best choice. Malware is little to none, support is generally high, and compatibility doubles every year. Looking at Windows history, its only gotten worse in the last 10 years. Vista is by most peoples account the worst operating system ever made, even good ole bill gates admitted that. As for Mac, Ive never heard a good thing about Mac. [no exaggeration]

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Originally posted by cronodevir Id go so far as to say Mac and Linux are on the same level in terms of ability to make music on them.

Am I the only person that finds this statement absurd?
Let's see:
protools doesn't run on linux. Neither does Logic. Neither does cubase. Just between those 3 DAW platforms, that's over 80% of the entire music production market users.

Please do explain how linux and macs are on the same level in terms of ability to make music on them.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Though for anyone who does actually care about their computer and uses it alot and likes to maintain everything, id say Linux is the best choice. Malware is little to none, support is generally high, and compatibility doubles every year. Looking at Windows history, its only gotten worse in the last 10 years. Vista is by most peoples account the worst operating system ever made, even good ole bill gates admitted that. As for Mac, Ive never heard a good thing about Mac. [no exaggeration]

What's the point in spending large amounts of time to maintain a system when there are working platforms out there that work incredibly well and do what they're supposed to? You're meant to be making music, not acting as "in-house IT" (for for your bedroom studio).

I think you need to think about what you're actually suggesting. Speak to people who work in studios, have experience in the industry. You obviously are well informed about some subjects such as linux etc, but don't really have a clue about the industry or home production standards/methods.

Also, quality IS ensured when it's a paid for product, because sales rely on the quality of the product. Yes it's about money for them - what business isn't? but people buy things because they perform the task they are meant to do. The better they do it, the more popular it will be and therefore generate revenue. They HAVE to build a quality product because clever marketing can only go so far. It;s like saying Mercedes don't give a shit about quality because it's all about money for them. Producing quality is WHY they make money.

Vista in fact is a perfect example of this. It was shit, and because of that, dispite the unbelievable marketing resources MS has, didn't achieve anywhere near the sales that xp did in the same period, even though there are more CP's out there than ever. And yes, linux might be "technically better" in some respects for some tasks, but windows and mac are very, very good at hosting DAW platforms, especially mac becuase you don't have the worries of viruses or stability issues.

If you've never heard a good thing about macs, then you are surrounded by pc/linux fanboys and never been out in the music production world. I actually like both - they both have pro's and cons. Most professional engineers won't work on any other platform than mac - and it's not because they like how they look.


@ "CHILD" - awwww, you still sore about your lavry? Get over it...I'm actually off to play(work) with my PTHD rigs......

Wine can run Protools and Cubase. As for Mac, the guy in the other thread can't even find a decent mp3 player for Mac. Atleast with Linux + Wine you still have all your windows apps. When I ran Fortress Forever with steam on Linux using Wine it used less resources than if I had simply ran it on Windows.


Sorry, but I find this statement "Also, quality IS ensured when it's a paid for product, because sales rely on the quality of the product." to be complete utterly wrong. Windows is the worst OS in terms of quality, its also the highest used and sold. Cubase 4 sold well I hear, it was a piece of shit. You only hear bad things about Ableton, and its still doing alright. Quality has about as much to do with sales as the size of the devs penis. Why? Because quality doesn't sell software... ... ... Marketing does. The science of how to sell. You know those crappy infomercials that come on late at night that sell random garbage? They make millions on that random garbage, because they know how to market it. The Magic Jack is selling tons, its also one of the worst products ever marketed.

Ive worked with a few car salesmen, I know how to sell stuff :P You can sell someone a car with no wheels if you were good enough.

And another thing, people who actually code in a big ass company, are often paid long before the product goes to market, so whether it sells or not is not their concern.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Wine can run Protools and Cubase. Sorry, but i find this statement "Also, quality IS ensured when it's a paid for product, because sales rely on the quality of the product." to be complete utter bullshit. Windows is the worst OS in terms of quality, its also the highest used and sold. Cubase 4 sold well I hear, it was a piece of shit. You only hear bad things about Ableton, and its still doing alright. Quality has about as much to do with sales as the size of the devs penis. Why? Because quality doesn't sell software... ... ... Marketing does.

No only to a certain (and very small) point. People begin to act as their own reviewers especially in todays world. If a product isn't any good, the whole world knows very fast, and manufacturers can't get around it with marketing anymore like they did a few years ago. They know they have to put out good products or it won't sell.

It's simple supply and demand economics at work. Bad products don't sell these days, good ones do. marketing can't supercede our ability to recognise bad products, especially ones that are techincal or have to perform tasks that peoples livelihood rest on.

I'd love to hear the tech support call to digidesign when you tell them you;re running it patched on linux. you'll get a nice loud laugh followed by a click then silence. Same with cubase. Great.

Wondows OS is a piece of shit? - maybe to someone that is an office IT geek, but you need to look at in terms of what it is to everyone.
It enables everything from publishing of documents, to music, to graphics, to webdesign, to you name it. It is actually outstanding considering the incredibly diverse customer base and vast uses. No other software has ever come close in being all things to all people. Becuase of that it doesn't some handle specific tasks well but there has to be sacrifice somewhere. I'm not a windows fanboy. I could care less what OS I'm on as long as it does the job without slowing me down (they were invented to speed things up you know).

I live in America, because of marketing 90% of the country thinks fast food is good for you. And that drinking alcohol helps your calories.

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Windows is the best Operating System for PC.

Anyone knows that.

Cronodevir knows that too, otherwise he`d be using Linux right now.

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Originally posted by Subtle Windows is the best Operating System for PC. Anyone knows that. Cronodevir knows that too, otherwise he`d be using Linux right now.

depends what you mean by best
Most supported ? definately

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Originally posted by RichieV depends what you mean by best Most supported ? definately

Most supported, most compatible, most versatile.. it is most everything, except some absurd geek stuff that Linux probably does maybe.

And 99% of all software in the world is compatible with Windows, and not to mention drivers.. i mean common!

There are often 2 big companies competing on things in this world, you have AMD and Intel, you have Pepsi and Cola, and you have Windows and Mac OSX.

Linux is like that cheap Cola you can buy in the store that tastes like shit.

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Originally posted by cronodevir So basically your saying Linux needs to be idiot friendly before it will be a real option?

If by "idiot" you mean "people who have better things to do with their time than fight with their computers", then yes, it absolutely needs to be idiot friendly. Most people are idiots; therefore, in order to gain any significant market share, you need an incentive for the idiots.

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Free software model works better than the proprietary model. Simply because the users have say and control in the direction of the software. Id rather change how I do things a little, then be bound and controlled by one single commercial entity, having to bow down to their will and wishes and direction.

Have you ever even written a single line of code? Because that's a significant chunk of what I do for a living, and I can tell you that I have no interest in trying to fix bugs or add features myself. Even in my work, if I'm not happy with off-the-shelf products then I'm more likely to develop a new component from scratch rather than slogging through someone else's open-source POS.

There's not a shred of evidence that the GNU "model" works better than the proprietary "model". Can you name even one open-source outside the LAMP stack that has more than a 2% market share?

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Originally posted by DigiNut If by "idiot" you mean "people who have better things to do with their time than fight with their computers", then yes, it absolutely needs to be idiot friendly. Most people are idiots; therefore, in order to gain any significant market share, you need an incentive for the idiots. Have you ever even written a single line of code? Because that's a significant chunk of what I do for a living, and I can tell you that I have no interest in trying to fix bugs or add features myself. Even in my work, if I'm not happy with off-the-shelf products then I'm more likely to develop a new component from scratch rather than slogging through someone else's open-source POS. There's not a shred of evidence that the GNU "model" works better than the proprietary "model". Can you name even one open-source outside the LAMP stack that has more than a 2% market share?

Can you name an instance where market share directly correlates with quality? No. So Market share is irrelevant. Quality and Control are more important that user friendliness and idiot proofing, 100% of the time.

That is why you have this filthy virus infected scummy shit world known as windows where malware is prevalent and 90% of the user base computers are email spamming zombies.

Its looks like to me you are missing the point of Linux. And other FOSS projects. The primary directive if you will is to have a system people are in control of and not trapped it. Being in control is more important to the whole world of computing than whether something is user friendly. Because in the long run if FOSS stuff doesn't get big, the sum of all human computing will equal a lock-box controlled by a single corporate entity. Every single line of code will be subject to censorship at any given time for what ever reason. They already have a system in place for more than 5 years, where every single line of code is checked and every bit of data is controlled, its called XBOX Live, think of it as a Beta for the next generation of the internet. Where doing anything on the net requires that you have to verify yourself and every bit of data. And what ever this system deems harmful, you won't be allowed to access. And no one will do a fucking thing about it you know why? Because it will be an easy system to live with, despite that world productivity has plummeted.

Yet another outlet of information controlled by a single entity.

The proprietary model is obsolete. You can't allow one entity to control computing, and with Trusted Computing and other companies, that is the goal. Read up on net neutrality, why it was important and why its pretty much gone. It all boils down to world politics.

I think the rest of this should be moved to politics forum. Because that is what it is really about.

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