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Originally posted by RichieV So people on here don't know how to produce music? You really believe that ? Do you say this from experience or just from what others have told you.

Its not about the people here. Most people didn't buy their software either.

Point is the quality of production advice and information here, compared to a myriad of other places is very low. Most of the information here is based on what people heard on another forum. As mentioned before, there isn't even a music theory section. Ontop of that the tutorial master list threads are a decade old.

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Originally posted by cronodevir That isn't an insult. Its not insulting to call someone out on a problem they have IF they do in fact have a problem.

The operative word is "if". Assuming said problem to be true when you have no evidence of it, or even any rational reason to assume it, is an insult - and a very juvenile one.

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I talk about your production skills because you always seem to think I am boasting about mine. So obviously you must not be very far if you think playing improvise melodies or using 3osc to making nice big sounds is impressive. And if you didn't think they were impressive you wouldn't have thought I was boasting about something.

Incorrect. What I've called you out on is overrating your own "skills" - such as claiming to be able to duplicate any sound from z3ta+ on 3xOsc, or claiming that you did an orchestral piece without any large samples. You don't even possess the requisite knowledge to realize that other people are talking about beasts that are very different from your piddly-ass patches and projects. To you, there is only your world, and anything that anyone else can do, you can do better.

Read my earlier post again. I said you were boasting about nonsense - things that you couldn't possibly back up and/or things that nobody cares about. That's a far cry from being impressed or envious.

I was using 3xOsc and 2048-sample latency 4 years ago. I've moved on.

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Originally posted by cronodevir As mentioned before, there isn't even a music theory section.

Why would there be a music theory section? That isn't something you should be learning about exclusively on an internet forum. It's like asking why there isn't a chip design forum on a computer discussion board. It takes time, patience, and practice to learn properly, and there already exist numerous formal teaching methods.

Again and again you reveal your ignorance...

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Originally posted by cronodevir Its not about the people here. Most people didn't buy their software either. Point is the quality of production advice and information here, compared to a myriad of other places is very low. Most of the information here is based on what people heard on another forum. As mentioned before, there isn't even a music theory section.

what do people's buying habits have to do with the fact you think people here are full of shit. So if it is so bad? why even come ? I think you tend to really polarize things instead of actually stepping back and really judging objectively.

I personally see production as a seperate topic from theory so i don't really see the point of a theory forum.

How would you rate yourself as a producer in relation to most here ?

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Originally posted by DigiNut The operative word is "if". Assuming said problem to be true when you have no evidence of it, or even any rational reason to assume it, is an insult - and a very juvenile one. Incorrect. What I've called you out on is overrating your own "skills" - such as claiming to be able to duplicate any sound from z3ta+ on 3xOsc, or claiming that you did an orchestral piece without any large samples. You don't even possess the requisite knowledge to realize that other people are talking about beasts that are very different from your piddly-ass patches and projects. To you, there is only your world, and anything that anyone else can do, you can do better. Read my earlier post again. I said you were boasting about nonsense - things that you couldn't possibly back up and/or things that nobody cares about. That's a far cry from being impressed or envious. I was using 3xOsc and 2048-sample latency 4 years ago. I've moved on.

Moved on to what? Those "beasts" you mention were a requirement for good sound 20 years ago. Not today. Just like hardware was a requirement for good sound 20 years ago, not today. That you use so called"beasts" is unimpressive to me. Esp when the tier of production coming from the use of such "beasts" is barely a notch above what can be done with "piddly-ass" software.

Talk all you want about your carburetor, I live in a world where its obsolete.

Also, production isn't something you learn on a forum either. If the sum of your knowledge is what you have learned from the itnernetz, then I feel sorry for you.

How Do I rate myself? As a hobbyist musician Id say pretty average. Maby a little above average because I am able to write a melody and use more than 4 bars of chords. Though all of this is no relevance to you. As I consider many of the "top tier" guys to be absolute shit. So according to your system I may rate myself below average.

Though, Why am I arguing with people about how music sounds? You guys probably enjoy that shitty jazz garbage.

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Originally posted by cronodevir How Do I rate myself? As a hobbyist musician Id say pretty average. Maby a little above average because I am able to write a melody and use more than 4 bars of chords. Though all of this is no relevance to you. As I consider many of the "top tier" guys to be absolute shit. So according to your system I may rate myself below average.

What do you think seperates you from beinga hobbyist ? I'm really not being patronizing here. I'm really trying to understand you. I'm curious as to wether you enjoy being a hobbyist or would you really like to do music as a living.

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Also, production isn't something you learn on a forum either. If the sum of your knowledge is what you have learned from the itnernetz, then I feel sorry for you.

you won't "learn" anything on a message board. You do get some insight that is helpfull. I've learned things on here. Now if someone that does music as a profession can learn , there must be something you can learn on here.

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Though, Why am I arguing with people about how music sounds? You guys probably enjoy that shitty jazz garbage

what music do you enjoy ?

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Originally posted by RichieV What do you think seperates you from beinga hobbyist ? I'm really not being patronizing here. I'm really trying to understand you. I'm curious as to wether you enjoy being a hobbyist or would you really like to do music as a living.

Doing music as a living is unrealistic today I think. And I can't play an instrument so live play is out of the question. Ontop of that I don't feel like getting involved with the politics of the record world. So I decided long ago the most I would become is a hobbyist. Also I make Niche music. I'm about to release an album, its a compilation of some of my best songs. Which is only about 9-10 songs from recent years. Not a single song is consistent with the nest, the styles, sound, and feeling is all different with each song. Even further more I typically choose sounds that aren't very popular, and I use scales and chords many probably don't feel. So what is the point of going beyond?

I enjoy alot of music, and yeah I am aware of the jazz influence, I just don't like jazz music itself. I'll listen to anything from Bjork to Black Sun Empire, From King Tubby and Jacob Miller to to Dark Lunacy. Dub DnB Jungle Chillout Trance Goa and Techno, Some metal and Hip Hop, plenty of folk and traditional stuff also. Even orchestrated stuff. Though alot of Mozart Bach and all that I don't find too interesting, alot of it changes mood too often. And ive yet to find a chiptune I didn't enjoy.

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Last edited by cronodevir on Apr-19-2009 at 03:27

so it is fair to say you don't make the typical trance people on here make? And if that is the case, wouldn't you find alot of things on here , in regards to production, different from what you do and as such maybe learn something ?

Perhaps, if it weren't for the fact that every time I mention how I myself do things, and how they work and Ive been doing them for years, I get a boot in the face.

Like how Ive used 2048 samples for many years and Its never had a downside, but I am apparently doing something wrong.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Like how Ive used 2048 samples for many years and Its never had a downside, but I am apparently doing something wrong.

That`s like riding a bicycle your whole life, not willing to realize the benefits of a car.

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No, its like riding a buss all the time and not realizing the benefits of a bike. If anything 2048 samples is overkill. WIth 1024 samples, for instance. What I am able to do is less. Less VSTi's less polyphony. Less everything. So based on experience, the lower the sample rate the less you can do.

Though no one has explained why its bad when your not using hardware, so who knows.

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