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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley LOL That makes him look even more dumb. Good lord

Please elaborate.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Well, you couldn't be more wrong. I send published promo CDs to the homes of both Ferry (Netherlands), and Markus Schulz (USA, Florida) - Along with others such as Above & Beyond but not to their home. Try again

You missed my point. The names are largely irrelevant, I just put down the first two that came to mind.

Ah whatever, debating this is pointless.

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I was actually poking fun earlier on in this thread about blaming Tiesto for anything/everything but on the point of "hating" (as I said I don't hate anyone mentioned) some have more deserve for negative feeling because of their actions.

Personally, I do think a lot of things are wrong with the image of Trance/EDM and lot of that blame can be placed firmly on the like of Tiesto et al.

It's not that they're popular. I went to see Carl Cox this weekend and it was nothing short of breathtaking - a real display of skill, musical integrity, energy and quality.

And guess what? It was without all of the bullshit Jesus Poses, Making heart shapes with your hands in front the lazer, air-punching and self adoration that is the clear trademark of cheezemongers, tiesto especially.

The other big part of this is that their personality itself. Tiesto, from various interviews, statements and live performances is so god damned arrogant and full of himself. Combine that with an endless stream of information about screwing people, having work done for him without crediting and plagiarism....well you get the point.

For fucks sake, the guy sells a poster of himself Called "Tiesto: Cool" and a FUCKING KEYRING OF HIMSELF DOING THE FUCKING JESUS POSE



Now Ferry - that's a differnt matter - yes, he sadly does the posing and all the rest of it, but he's a truly nice guy (having had the chance to speak to him briefly) and as far as i know he hasn't ripped anyone off and apart from (credited) engineers, he actually makes his own music. I still find his stuff rather cheesey but then that's personal taste.

Deadmau5 - He's a good and talented guy getting thrown shit at him, partly because of his sometimes big and uncensored mouth and partly because a group of people (incl. some TA's) decided to go after him.

So no, it's not about choosing people at the top and being negative - it's about who they are, how they conduct themselves and what they represent.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN It's not that they're popular. I went to see Carl Cox this weekend and it was nothing short of breathtaking - a real display of skill, musical integrity, energy and quality.

fuck me you must be easily impressed

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Originally posted by Fledz Well then you seem like the type of person who would blame anyone that's on top. Switch Tiesto with Gareth Emery and Armin with Ferry Corsten and you would most likely say the exact same things.

Ferry & Gareth are both respected dj's and producers. Two of the few whom are left.

You don't see them with 15 labels or being an arrogant twat like Tiesto do you?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I was actually poking fun earlier on in this thread about blaming Tiesto for anything/everything but on the point of "hating" (as I said I don't hate anyone mentioned) some have more deserve for negative feeling because of their actions. Personally, I do think a lot of things are wrong with the image of Trance/EDM and lot of that blame can be placed firmly on the like of Tiesto et al. It's not that they're popular. I went to see Carl Cox this weekend and it was nothing short of breathtaking - a real display of skill, musical integrity, energy and quality. And guess what? It was without all of the bullshit Jesus Poses, Making heart shapes with your hands in front the lazer, air-punching and self adoration that is the clear trademark of cheezemongers, tiesto especially. The other big part of this is that their personality itself. Tiesto, from various interviews, statements and live performances is so god damned arrogant and full of himself. Combine that with an endless stream of information about screwing people, having work done for him without crediting and plagiarism....well you get the point. For fucks sake, the guy sells a poster of himself Called "Tiesto: Cool" and a FUCKING KEYRING OF HIMSELF DOING THE FUCKING JESUS POSE Now Ferry - that's a differnt matter - yes, he sadly does the posing and all the rest of it, but he's a truly nice guy (having had the chance to speak to him briefly) and as far as i know he hasn't ripped anyone off and apart from (credited) engineers, he actually makes his own music. I still find his stuff rather cheesey but then that's personal taste. Deadmau5 - He's a good and talented guy getting thrown shit at him, partly because of his sometimes big and uncensored mouth and partly because a group of people (incl. some TA's) decided to go after him. So no, it's not about choosing people at the top and being negative - it's about who they are, how they conduct themselves and what they represent.

Roffl at the keychain!

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Originally posted by DJ RANN It was without all of the bullshit Jesus Poses, Making heart shapes with your hands in front the lazer, air-punching and self adoration that is the clear trademark of cheezemongers

See this is extremely sad. EXXXXTTTRRREEEMMMMEEELLLLYYY sad. What is it about showing someones love and passion for the music and DJing that annoys you so much?

Air-punching is bad? Christ on a bike. You may like your lifeless and dead DJs but I sure as hell don't. I much prefer it when the DJ feeds off the energy and really gets into it, instead of acts like a corpse behind the decks but "ooooohhh his mixing is perfect and he's not being a stuck up cock"

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Originally posted by Fledz See this is extremely sad. EXXXXTTTRRREEEMMMMEEELLLLYYY sad. What is it about showing someones love and passion for the music and DJing that annoys you so much? Air-punching is bad? Christ on a bike. You may like your lifeless and dead DJs but I sure as hell don't. I much prefer it when the DJ feeds off the energy and really gets into it, instead of acts like a corpse behind the decks but "ooooohhh his mixing is perfect and he's not being a stuck up cock"

You like the stuck up cocks?

Who cares what DJ Dildo is doing in the both if the music is good and the dancefloor is alive. I still don't understand why people insist the DJ must be the most entertaining dancing monkey in the whole club.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

No I don't really care for them but I do enjoy it when the DJ gets into it and just adds even more to the energy. The best sets I've heard have been the ones where the crowd and the DJ were loving it and everyone was very motivated.

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I think the DJ needs to be an entertainer. It does feed the energy of the crowd. It's the same as with bands - if they just stand on stage and look at their instruments and play a good solid set of music, it feels totally different for the audience than if the band is going nuts onstage and really getting into it.

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Originally posted by Fledz No I don't really care for them but I do enjoy it when the DJ gets into it and just adds even more to the energy. The best sets I've heard have been the ones where the crowd and the DJ were loving it and everyone was very motivated.

Exactly - that's why I brought up carl cox.

you really don't know what you're talking about (or at least Dj of other genre's) if you think Cox "acts like a corpse". He's one of the more animated Djs I've seen and his crowd interaction is what makes him DJ so well - he reads and reacts as well

What i hate is the bullshit jesus posing and the rest of it that Trance "superstars" seems to have a inability to to avoid. It's just so lame and childish, especially as they KNOW the stigma of it (as they do - remember these are guys in their late 30's/early 40s in most cases, not kids Dj'ing for the first time).

If you think every time they jesus pose it's "energy" and "being in to it" you can keep it - I see it for what it is; self adoration and the mockery of the paying crowd. I just think "suckers" everytime I see the crowd reacting to such turd.

It's just lame.

I would prefer to see a DJ that plays great music mixes well than one that pounds out formulaic trance while grandstanding.

I agree with beatflux that it doesn't always matter about e Dj performance - sasha does nothing behind the decks most times apart from concentrate the music and smile ever so often.

I suppose the vibe is shit at a sasha gig becuase he's not fisting the air and announcing through mime the messiah has returned?