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| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
Also i'd like to appologize for ruining this thread with this diversion. |
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| quote: | | science IS fairytales unless you know what you're talking about. |
Hey, hey, hey... let's not be so harsh on the heretic, shall we? 
Unless properly understood, science is fairy tales, and there's nothing wrong with it: Fairy tales serve the purpose of explaining the world, and science does a marvellous job at that. Science is able to explain loads of things no other human enterprise ever even intended to know, no one here is disputing that. But, science is not the report of scientists - it's their practice. If you take what they say at face value, you're much better off than following a priest most of the time, but that does not make you smarter than a religious believer. You're believing what you're told, pure and simple.
| quote: | Science is based on empirical proof. You're saying it's fine to skip the proof!| quote: | | why do you have to reinvent the wheel when its already made? |
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Because that's exactly what scientists need to do to understand how their predecessors got where we are now. Why do you think undergraduates do basic experiments in their own fields? These experiments have been done hundreds of times before, why do they bother? Because science is based on facts, not on hearsay: It's getting out there in the world and messing up with it that gives you knowledge. It's reading about the hypotheses and playing with them that give you the necessary insight to grasp whatever theory you're interested in.
Do you really think I just pick up a book on linguistics and take everything as facts because other people made some experiments? Well, screw them, I want to have some of the fun myself!
| quote: | sorry, but saying you believe in evolution is exactly the same as saying the world was built in 7 days unless you know what you're talking about.| quote: | | ok.. you keep thinking its the same thing trot along now |
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Yeah, dismiss him. Darwinism is sacred, how can he lump it together with these puny beliefs barbarians hold?
| quote: | since you like bagging religion, you should realise that yu're sounding extremely similar to a religious nut... i'm not defending religion at all, but at least everybody knows most of them are full of shit.| quote: | | Right except that science has testable findings where religion does not. I gave you solid examples which you neglected and saying "oh its not the same". OF course it is. Structural engineering is based on newtons testable laws.. do you need to fully understand them to trust the integrity of the structure? Its all science.. If it wasn't science it would be classified as myth, fairytale or relgion. Semantics learn how to use it properly. |
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Oh, you want to play with semantics? Good, allow me to pick myth and look it up on Encyclopaedia Britannica:
| quote: | | Traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold part of the worldview of a people or explain a practice, belief, or natural phenomenon. |
[Source] - Newtonian physics is a very nifty idea that allows engineers come of with cool buildings to this day! It unfolds part of the worldview of not just engineers, but also physicians, airplane pilots, and baseball players. But, alas the world is not quite like Newton imagined - and this takes us to yet another definition of myth found in Cambridge's Advanced Learners Dictionary (which is what I think you've got in mind):
| quote: | | a commonly believed but false idea |
[Source] - Has it come to this? Unfortunately, classical mechanics is not a very faithful portrait of what the world as we understand today is like, so it's a "false idea", but it's still a useful idea. The difference, therefore, between classical mechanics and the biblical genesis is that the former is a lot more useful if you want to act upon the world, whereas the latter probably makes people feel special about themselves or something.
I'm sorry, words and concepts are not as clear as you take them to be. By the way, before we go on, you said "If it wasn't science it would be classified as myth, fairytale or religion". Well, who is in charge of making these classifications?
| quote: | "science is the way, the truth and the light! i don't have to know how it works, it just works!!! WHAT?? SHUTTUP!!"| quote: | | sure it is.. if you don't like it grab your berkenstocks and toga and wait for the next messiah until the cows come home |
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Oh, yeah, because the world is divided between science and religion! If I don't blindly trust one, I must blindly the other, right? How naïve are Egos and I to believe people should actually bother to know more about the things they believe, do their own research and not take anything for granted, instead of relying on others for everything! I guess that makes us religious fanatics.
And I thought I was an atheist scientist
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however, at least Darwin and science is based on theories that are based on FACTS.. so i can see you use of the word 'fairytale' but i don't agree it's a good way of describing what science is at all.. i could see 'fairytale' being used for religion however, the only 'proof' a religious person has is their book & blind faith.. how could an old book have leverage with science? 
