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Originally posted by Seppuku Weren't you the one bitching about how wetbar was a terrible club? Sounds to me like you're the common denominator here. Have you ever had a good experience anywhere? People like you will never fail in finding something to bitch about. You're the reason customers aren't always treated with respect, who wants to deal with someone like that?

Who cares. If she has had bad experiences, she's had bad experiences. Evidently you've taken it upon yourself to look like a jackass. Good job. If they didn't act like jerks, she wouldn't complain. I've had bad experiences at most venues I've been to too. Especially with EDM I haven't liked any of them. I respect Maggie for being vocal about it. These places suck. You guys can defend your crappy venues all you want. Though they may not have gunfire, they still have shady dealings going on. Your dubstep shows attract just as bad of crowd as Opera, just a different one. There will still be a bunch of drugged out idiots either place. So, you people can attack our tastes and try to say we need to expand what we listen too, but it's all coming out that you guys look just as bad with your respective scene. The EDM scene as a whole is messed up.

I, for one, am not attacking any scene nor do I think one is better than the other. I simply have a different view of what a "shady venue" means. When I personally think of shady I think of being in true personal danger. But the definition given here, then absolutely, yes, EVERY club is inherently shady. These places, whether they are posh and expensive, or dingy and underground, deal in debauchery. Shade, in that sense, is in their very nature.


I truly believe that there are some unrealistic expectations here. Liquified brought a bunch of the DJs you wanted last year and maybe everyone from TA showed, but it was clearly not enough to pay the bills. I don't understand what you guys want/ expect. You won't support Opera because of the douchebaggery, yet it is the only place that actually gets a crowd. Do you really expect someone to throw an event for you at their own loss? Out of the goodness of their own heart? Get real.

You either have to support the underground events in the smaller venues with local DJs and rebuild from there - or go to Opera or some other megaclub and deal with all of the problems that entails - or do it yourself. Those are your options and I think it is entirely naive to think that there would be any options other than that. I mean, seriously, how much money do you expect promoter's to lose so that the people at the Trance Addict forum can think that the Atlanta scene is better than Charlotte's? Some people here are living in a bubble.

This isn't about one scene being better than the other. It is about the scene as a whole. If you only like one genre and there aren't enough other people around to support it then you better get a gas card (I remember crossing multiple state lines to see a good show back in the day) - expecting someone else to provide it for you will get you nowhere - neither will bitching about it on a forum (although it might make you feel better... mental masturbation, mmmmmm).

Personally, I'd like to go back to multiple genre parties...

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I don't really expect anyone to do anything. I was just simply letting off some steam about my lack of enjoyment for the current "market", if you will, of events. I've really just stopped going out at all for the most part, but have ventured to a few dubstep shows to hang out with my boyfriend who loves drum and bass.

There are a few places that seem to get it right (see my Yelp reviews for Graveyard and Masquerade http://maggles.yelp.com), I just think most places get it WAY wrong. It really doesn't take much to please me, but there admittedly are a few things that'll set me off REAL quick; disrespectful staff being #1 on that list.

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Originally posted by inferno Your definition of "good" shows must be really different than mine

Obviously we dont share the same definition of good......... I dont think clubs that hold 200 people and have "DJ WHOGIVESASHIT" playing whatever kind of music is a good show. Only rarely do one of those shows ever turn into something worthy of talking about after the show.

You have to think of good in the way of, is it worth it for someone to travel from out of state, get a hotel and other high cost to see some hardly known DJ play in front of 100 or less true fans and some patrons just out to see whats going on? Nah, I will pass

I like to go with what is tried and true, a big club night with a lot of people, like I said, aside from WMC, Miami hardly has shit going on. It used to year round but now like most cities, things are dying down. When Miami does have something decent going on, I am usually there. I think that was 5 times in 2009. In the last two months I have been to new york city 7 times.

If you are going to suggest to me that I should have come to Bazaar so I could have had a great time. I can already answer that I would not have liked to go. Where do I get my basis for this..... The place is closed isnt it?

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Originally posted by ChrstnMchl Personally, I'd like to go back to multiple genre parties...

Exactly, MJ tried a good attempt at it for the Birthday bashment. I just dont think people in most cities can warm up to that in the near future.

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 Who cares. If she has had bad experiences, she's had bad experiences. Evidently you've taken it upon yourself to look like a jackass. Good job. If they didn't act like jerks, she wouldn't complain. I've had bad experiences at most venues I've been to too. Especially with EDM I haven't liked any of them. I respect Maggie for being vocal about it. These places suck. You guys can defend your crappy venues all you want. Though they may not have gunfire, they still have shady dealings going on. Your dubstep shows attract just as bad of crowd as Opera, just a different one. There will still be a bunch of drugged out idiots either place. So, you people can attack our tastes and try to say we need to expand what we listen too, but it's all coming out that you guys look just as bad with your respective scene. The EDM scene as a whole is messed up.

lol @ people now complaining about drugs at EDM events...are you fucking serious?

Believe me, I have bad experiences and there are places I will not go because of it. But my point is that if you want to write off venues like El Bar, etc for ridiculous reasons such as "someone was hula hooping" or "there was a pregnant bartender" thats fine - none of us are taking it personally. (although you do sound like an ignorant asshole.) But we are tired of hearing the constant bitching that there is nothing good to attend in Atlanta.

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Originally posted by Dream Beamz You have to think of good in the way of, is it worth it for someone to travel from out of state, get a hotel and other high cost to see some hardly known DJ play in front of 100 or less true fans and some patrons just out to see whats going on? Nah, I will pass I like to go with what is tried and true, a big club night with a lot of people, like I said, aside from WMC, Miami hardly has shit going on. It used to year round but now like most cities, things are dying down. When Miami does have something decent going on, I am usually there. I think that was 5 times in 2009. In the last two months I have been to new york city 7 times.

That is an extremely narrow minded and sad view of music.

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Originally posted by Seppuku lol @ people now complaining about drugs at EDM events...are you fucking serious? Believe me, I have bad experiences and there are places I will not go because of it. But my point is that if you want to write off venues like El Bar, etc for ridiculous reasons such as "someone was hula hooping" or "there was a pregnant bartender" thats fine - none of us are taking it personally. (although you do sound like an ignorant asshole.) But we are tired of hearing the constant bitching that there is nothing good to attend in Atlanta.

I'd give Cafe Oliva another chance. If you read what I wrote, I didn't have so much of a problem with a place, I just wasn't feeling it. We walked in, saw the freak show in the back, wasn't really feeling the music, so we left. Came back later in the night when they'd thankfully turned off or dimmed the lights and had a decent time, although tired. I'm typically the DD in a bunch of alcoholics, so it would definitely have an appeal if they had a full bar. That way we're not sloshing back and forth from Graveyard when the boys get their craving for goose and redbull, which is quite often. =P

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Originally posted by Seppuku lol @ people now complaining about drugs at EDM events...are you fucking serious? If you want to write off venues like El Bar, etc for ridiculous reasons such as "someone was hula hooping" or "there was a pregnant bartender" thats fine - none of us are taking it personally. (although you do sound like an ignorant asshole.) But we are tired of hearing the constant bitching that there is nothing good to attend in Atlanta.

You're calling someone ignorant? You must be one of those people who does the drugs at these events. I realize it's going to happen, but nobody should be condoning it. You've never seen like one of the elitist jerks on this forum, but it looks like the people you've hung out with on here have rubbed off on you. Just because there is some no name dj you enjoy, why can people not complain about the stuff they like not coming? Believe me dude, we aren't the ones sounding ignorant. The difference is, we aren't saying you guys can't look forward to your hole in the wall, no name dj events, just don't treat us with disrespect because we want to see someone else at a different venue. I don't like a lot of venues, but if someone I love is coming to it, I'll go. As I said before, someone good comes to El Bar, I'll go, but it doesn't make me feel inferior that I don't want to waste time listening to someone I don't care about just to say I did.

Ok, I have had it, I have held back long enough

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Originally posted by Seppuku That is an extremely narrow minded and sad view of music.

I like getting my money's worth, if you like to throw money down the tube then go ahead. My mind is anything but narrow minded when it comes to music, matter a fact if you knew me, you would know me as one of the most enlightened people you have ever met when it comes to music.

Anyhow, I think you and inferno are in your own little world. A lot of people have held back to try and be nice but you two just cant quit talking about how amazing these nights where that hardly anyone here has even heard about.

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Originally posted by Seppuku more "underground" artists you'd never expect to see here. Konrad Black, 2562, Martyn, Ryan Elliott, Appleblim, Bruno Pronsato, Tim Green, Lee Foss, Seth Troxler...just to name a few. If you haven't found something you like, you haven't been looking hard enough.

Yeh, sure some of them have come across my radar from time to time but how many people truly showed up for these events. If I want to hear just music then I will buy a CD, if I want to go to a show, i expect the full experience with crowd noise and interaction with great intelligent lighting , not just a DJ sitting in some run down booth playing tracks that I could have played or made at home. In reality it just shows how narrow minded you are to not think about the full experience.

You call me ignorant and then proceed the make statements such as these:

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 we aren't saying you guys can't look forward to your hole in the wall, no name dj events

Sorry, I just can't take you seriously. I was never slamming anyone's taste until statements like that were made. No one cares what you choose to listen to. It was simply suggested that since you're having trouble finding events you enjoy, then maybe it would be a good idea for you to give some new things a try in the meantime. I don't know why you took that as an attack on your taste in music...but if that is not an option for you, direct yourself to ChrstnMchl's post above.

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Originally posted by Dream Beamz I like getting my money's worth, if you like to throw money down the tube then go ahead. My mind is anything but narrow minded when it comes to music, matter a fact if you knew me, you would know me as one of the most enlightened people you have ever met when it comes to music. Anyhow, I think you and inferno are in your own little world. A lot of people have held back to try and be nice but you two just cant quit talking about how amazing these nights where that hardly anyone here has even heard about. Yeh, sure some of them have come across my radar from time to time but how many people truly showed up for these events. If I want to hear just music then I will buy a CD, if I want to go to a show, i expect the full experience with crowd noise and interaction with great intelligent lighting , not just a DJ sitting in some run down booth playing tracks that I could have played or made at home. In reality it just shows how narrow minded you are to not think about the full experience.

First of all, considering most of these events are less than 10 dollars, I get more than my moneys worth.

The reason I am calling you closed minded is that you rely on big names and status of DJs to get enjoyment. Why not open yourself up to music that you haven't heard before? I have found so much music that I love - that I would have never heard otherwise - simply by going to see some "no name" DJs. I am not trying to bash what you listen to, but myself and others just can't get into the whole big clob rockstar/superstar DJ thing.

You don't seem to get that some people enjoy smaller venues, with more intimate settings. When you take away the money, the egos, and the glam, you get the chance to hear some true, soulful sets that are infinitely better than anything I've ever seen in one of these "full experiences" you're describing. I guess you haven't heard any of it, but that kind of music simply does not work in that environment. And although the numbers are much smaller, these spots are packed and the vibe is great... hardly empty rooms with no crowd interaction.

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