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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Sorry but it can and will be done. Unfortunately for your kind it's days are becoming numbered.

I call level 2 bullshit.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

Lol, he thinks he has a way to stop piracy.

You will never be able to get around the fact that a person can duplicate a string of bits. And this ability will never go away as long as computers exist, the only way to stop piracy is to destroy the Internet. No matter what system you invent, it can be tricked.

The ONLY way you might be able to stop piracy, is if all of the digital storage mediums [any and all technology that stores information] were locked in some building somewhere on earth, and read/write access was restricted. And point blank, that will never happen. All it takes is one company in some government who doesn't agree to make a new hard drive and a microphone, buy your music, then record it. And your system has been defeated.

Even if you gained control over the internet itself, you cannot stop wifi. Because you don't need an ISP to use wifi networks or to make wifi networks.

I am really interested in what you think you can do to stop piracy.

One more thing to note: no one cares about piracy. Governments don't enforce any rules against it. I could walk into my local police station and say I just downloaded the entire history of MGM cinema. And the police chief there will be like "hey, do you have so and so movie?" And... and, even if I were charged, I wouldn't get jail time. I would be fined, but oh wait, I don't pay taxes any ways.

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dig out the grout expose the pest to take it out without the rest

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I see what you did thurrr.

Have you been comprehending anything in this thread?

Piracy is NOT the problem. Piracy = Huge Benefit for the Music Industry

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commercial and underground electronic music (house/techno/trance/other) will surpass today's hip hop/pop/rock/country in worldwide interest...if it has'nt already.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 I have proof or logic for what I say...where is yours? And DJs/Producers make up only maybe .000000001% of the potential music buying population. If you think music is just bought by DJs, it shows stupid you've always been. ps: you're mental issues are getting the best of you. And you're probably not fit to converse on a forum, or perhaps any part of society. Get help first and then come back. Piracy does not hurt sales more than it helps. Its a loss leader for future gains...at its worste. Hence .0005c fish on hook (cost of piracy) for $20 trout catch.

We are speaking of edm not pop and mainstream music. You're delusional if you think consumers buy even 10% of the edm music bought. IT ISN'T EVEN MARKETED TO CONSUMERS.

The problem with your theory is that edm media is not $20 it is $2.50 at most. With such small PPI's there is only one way to make money and that is through volume. Volume of sales cannot be accomplished because most of them are pirated. When 10-20 sales gets you in the top 100 there are serious problems.

Sorry don't try and derail the topic at hand; not getting into petty personal vendettas, i'm only in this thread because you're an idiot and people need to hear the truth (not some bumbling fool who thinks if he is aggressive enough in his words people will believe him)

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Originally posted by Kismet7 I see what you did thurrr. Have you been comprehending anything in this thread? Piracy is NOT the problem. Piracy = Huge Benefit for the Music Industry

Well, whether we like it or not, the concept of buying a piece of music for personal enjoyment is going to disappear.

Piracy is unstoppable.

You can't stop someone from copying and transmitting data.

Piracy is becoming easier.

Google.

Piracy is becoming more common.

My mother knows how to download music. So do all my friends, and peers, in fact, ive yet to meet a person who pays for music, the only people I know of who buy music, are people who join debates about piracy.

Piracy is becoming acceptable.

No one cares, no one objects.

That's not going to change. But it doesn't hurt EDM at all, it only hurts those who stand to gain money from EDM.

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dig out the grout expose the pest to take it out without the rest

they will attest my patients restorations from the best

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Originally posted by cronodevir I would be fined, but oh wait, I don't pay taxes any ways.

Come back when you learn to follow rules whether you see them as justified or not. Maybe then you can finally move out of ma's basement.

And just so the rest of TA knows; that wasn't a joke.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 I see what you did thurrr. Have you been comprehending anything in this thread? Piracy is NOT the problem. Piracy = Huge Benefit for the Music Industry

Please explain your rationale for piracy being beneficial in an already devastated market that is overcrowded with crap? And please this time go open an econ book instead of spewing out of your asshole.

And just to share one viable method of stopping piracy (this is not one of my planned methodologies just one I came up with right now for topic of conversation) what about locking a file medium similar to what iTunes did with .m4a's but making it fully locked.

I'm not talking about "dub" recordings, those will always be out there; i'm referring to a copy of the actual legitimate file.

And to Cron; are you really that selfish of a person that you feel nothing is wrong with stealing somebody's work that took from a week to a month to make? What is the point?

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 what about locking a file medium similar to what iTunes did with .m4a's but making it impossible to copy.

Loading a .m4a into any audio editing software and saving it under a WAV/MP3 extension got rid of any limitations iTunes put into the file. All it does is make things inconvenient, and quite frankly it's why I never buy music from iTunes. But it'd be far from effective.

You cannot make it "impossible to copy" without complete top down control, like having someone remotely monitor what happens on your computer every time a music file is opened. And even then people could probably find a way to spoof the system.

In any case as long as you allow direct audio recording -- either internal recording on the computer, or the "audio out / audio in" trick with cables -- there is no way to make all files stay in the "protected" format. There is just no way: as long as a protection-free file format exists, there will be a way to convert audio into that format, either through hacking the "protected" file itself or simply re-recording the audio.