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Originally posted by xfer So were do we upload our remixes? Im almost finished

When ur done with the mix you pm me for server specs...

Well. here's the promised overview...

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TA Remix Compo Overview author: eieregooie special thanks to: oDrori, Robert COMPETING - Maximum number of competitors: 20 - Final date to enter the compo: September 10th 23:59 GMT - Contestants have to be a registered TranceAddict member for at least three weeks, to avoid people registering only to participate in the compo - Collaborations are allowed and will be treated as one entry - Contestants:   01 robstar   02 Haak   03 Veldrid   04 Access   05 Theotrope & FuzzyGreen   06 Peter Campbell   07 Trancevision   08 Lightworks   09 delphini blue   10 mantisnl   11 Project T   12 Mehari   13 big dave   14 TranceMasterUK   15 MadThijs   16 Robert   17 DaveC   18 DC-   19 xfer   20 dj dave b JUDGING - Minimum number of judges: 3 - Maximum number of judges: 5 - Judges get 2 weeks to do their judging after all mixes are in (October 14th 23:59 GMT) - Judges have to be a registered TranceAddict member for at least one month, to avoid people registering only to judge the compo - JUDGES HAVE TO BE DEVOTED TO THE COMPO TO AVOID JUDGES DROPPING OUT WITH SOME LAME EXCUSE - Mixes will be judged on the following aspects according the judging rules stated below   - Originality     (Pretty clear right? Though a little originality is good, it can be overdone.)   - Complexity     (Innovative rhythms, combination of notes. A good tune isn't too simple, because it will easily bore the listener, but like originality, complexity can be overdone. In that case the tune will probably annoy the listener.)   - Build Up / Break Down     (Does the tune have a thrilling energetic build up that makes you wanna party or a smooth flow lifting you high above the clouds and make you dream away? Or are you waiting for the tune to actually begin and before you know it it's over? Does it give you the time to slowly awake from your dream, or are you kicked from your cloud ending up with your face in the dirt?)   - Connections     (How are the different parts of the song connected? How do the different sounds sound together? Is it all connected?)   - Sound Quality / Mastering     (Pretty clear too... No annoying sounds or way too much midrange?) - Judges:   01 oDrori   02 McBigMac   03 attacc   04 bluejay   05 -=JC=- - Judging rules (how to judge)   - I) There is no way to reinforce this, so judges will need to be trusted- We will ahve to stay as neutral as possible, overally judging th track to waht we consider a high level of production.   - II) Again, can't be reinforced, judges must be trusted: We must treat each and every criteria and remix SEPERATELY, temporarily completely ignoring all other criteria when devoting thought to a certain criteria and all other remixs when devoting thought to a certain remix, no comparison. Judges should not and may not give a certain score to some criteria in order to bring the final average score to any value.   - III) Scores are from 0 to 10, with the option of one digit of a tenth (EG X.6, 7.8 etc.)   - IV) The average between scorings will be calculated this way: [Originality Score] * 2 + [Complexity Score] * 1.5 + [Buildup / Breakadown Score] * 1.5 + [Connections Score] *2 + [Sound-Quality/Mastering] * 3 = [Final Track Grade] (e.g. 4.5, 6.0, 3.4, 7.9, 9.3 will result 9+9+5.1+15.8+27.9=66.8) I suggest this because the Mastering aspect is the only completely neautral aspect and we should strive for neautrality, thus encouraging producers to use their style whilst knowing high-end production will be rewarded the most. Complexity and Breakdown are the most subjective aspects and thus should be minimized, and judged mostly by how fitting the buildups breakdowns and complexity of each track to it's style and artistic idea. As you see, a well connected& designed, plotted track with high sound quality and technical work will have half the work done, leaving the more subjective side with the rest of the score.   - V) Judges are not to calculate the final score, but merely to keep track of each criteria's grade for each track within a .txt file, which at the end of the scoring will have it's contents copied and sent through E-mail or Tranceaddict forum personal message to the competitiona manager.   - VI) Each of the competing remixers may or may not vote, using the Tranceaddict personal messages, to a remix of another remixer other than himself, by sending a message to the competition manager (Remixers will be allowed to download each f the remixes once they are renamed, and each remixer will be informed of his own number at the competition). All remixer votes will be gathered by the manager and at the end, the remix recieveing most votes will have 3 points subtracted from it's score on the Final List (See below). To partially avoid artists avoiding voting for others so as to not help them lose these points, each voting artist will lose 1 point at the Final List. The winning artist amongst these will lose the additional 3 points, as explained below. It's each artist's decision whether to vote or not to another.   - VII) Along other tasks, the manager's role is to gather all grades, calculate each judges final score for each track, then sort a list of twenty track per judge, sorting them from the remix with the highest score to the lowest. Form now on, a remixe's score will only be used in case of a tie.   - VIII) Each track's rank amongst the others will count as the number of points it gets in each judge's ranking (IE first rank recieves 1 point, second will recieve 2 and so on). Once the process of giving points is done for each judge, points will be gathered from all judges to compile the Final List. The remix with the least points will be decided the winning track of the competition. In case of any tie in points, including amongst lower places, the remix with the average highest score will win the higher spot over the other(s)   - IX) The manager will notify the judges of the results within 48 hours of the judging deadline and submission of the judges decisions, he will as well notify the winner within 48 hours and the winner will post a message announcing his win by replyig inside this thread, and once the manager aproves, the winner is officially The Winner. After that the manager will post the final results.   - X) Once The Winner had been announced, the competition is officialy over and the remixes may be shared and spread across the world wide web. The Winner and manager (plus possibly the judges) will take care of sorting the prize. MANAGING - One person will be selected to host the compo. He/she may not compete or judge. FTP server hosting experience required. - The manager gets 48 hours to come forward with the results after the judges scorings are in. (this will mainly depend on the time the judges spend on their judging)(October 16th 23:59 GMT) - Tasks:   - Supplying serverspace   - Renaming the mixes to numbers and keeping track of which mix is which   - Managing the results received from the judges according the judging rules VII, VIII and IX - Manager:   01 eieregooie REMIXING - A poll among the contestants will determine the track to be remixed by the competitors - In case there are any MIDI files and/or vocals(acapella) available among the contestants from the track to be remixed they have to be shared with all other contestants - All mixes have to be 5 minutes at least, to avoid dull radio edits - MIXES MAY NOT BE SPREAD IN ANY WAY, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES UNTILL THE COMPO IS COMPLETELY OVER - Only one mix per contestant may be uploaded to the server. So make sure you're completely satisfied with your remix before you upload it to the FTP server, there's no way back after you've uploaded. - Uploaded mp3s should be in 192kbit, 44.1khz, full stereo. - Mixes have to in BEFORE October 1st (September 30th 23:59 GMT) FINALLY - When a competitor is done with his/her mix, he/she must send a PM to the Manager asking for the server specs - When all mixes are up the Manager will provide all judges with server specs and the judging may begin Good luck to everyone!

Hope I did good

Robert, maybe you could post this in the first post of this thread?

Grtz!

Last edited by eieregooie on Sep-18-2002 at 18:52

One thing I am afraid of as far as voting goes is that the judges will look for imperfections which one wouldn't notice otherwise listening to music.

For example, I can already see people commenting on how a track sounds empty, or bass isn't there or this or that, but when people comment on tracks in music discussion forum, or reviews forum, etc, you never hear any of that. You don't hear them complaining about how the leads aren't powerful enough, etc.

There's many songs that aren't complex as far as layering or melody goes but are great tracks and then there's tracks that are overly complex that aren't.

This situation is a double edged sword. As we all know, different people have different tastes, so simply voting for a track that you like the best doesn't work quite well. Then again, voting for the track which meets or doesn't meet the "technical" specifications doesn't work either because of the reasons I mentioned above.

I just don't see how the voting system will work fairly without straying towards one side.

There are certain occasions a large group of people like the same track, but it's difficult to speculate whether that'll happen with this competition unless the mixes are really good.

When it comes down to it, I'd rather see the tracks get voted on how good they are in the judges' eyes rather than how complex the melody is, if its original or mastered well (granted some things need to be there in order for track to be good).

P.S. A month worth of waiting for the winner to be declared is ridiculously long, these people are not writing 1000 page essays here.

have to agree... a month seems a little long... what do the judges think?

Sounds good, but I only need a week or so to judge the tracks.. say I do 4 tracks a day or something. I'd like to write some short reviews too, writing the things I like about the song and etc.

I'm already looking forward to listen to the remixes

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Id like 2 weeks to judge...

Cause i have limited time, with heavy education, working progressive stuff for a label now, and working...

Although i might be done in a week too, id just like 2 weekS! So i have time, if crap happens


Anyway,

i tried contacting you eieregooie on icq...but....

So if you could pm where i can dl tracks
or contact me at icq on

14002277

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Personally I would say:

5 days for the judges to DL all mixes (Myself has a fast connection so it can be shorter, don't know about the others), remember we're talking 20 files hear so this also affects time for checking and judging...

AT LEAST 10 days to check all tracks and give them scores, I would like to have at least 2 hours to devote to each track. Remember, judges are gonna be very picky.

Either Eiereg or one of the judges should talk to Swamper and ask for permission to have the winning remix on the Tranceaddict new tracks page.

As for the way judging will be made:

I) There is no way to reinforce this, so judges will need to be trusted- We will ahve to stay as neutral as possible, overally judging th track to waht we consider a high level of production.

II) Again, can't be reinforced, judges must be trusted: We must treat each and every criteria and remix SEPERATELY, temporarily completely ignoring all other criteria when devoting thought to a certain criteria and all other remixs when devoting thought to a certain remix, no comparison. Judges should not and may not give a certain score to some criteria in order to bring the final average score to any value.

III) Scores are from 0 to 10, with the option of one digit of a tenth (EG X.6, 7.8 etc.)

IV) The average between scorings will be calculated in a way that must be predecided, my suggestion will be:

[Originality Score] * 2 + [Complexity Score] * 1.5 + [Buildup / Breakadown Score] * 1.5 + [Connections Score] *2 + [Sound-Quality/Mastering] * 3 = [Final Track Grade]

(e.g. 4.5, 6.0, 3.4, 7.9, 9.3 will result 9+9+5.1+15.8+27.9=66.8)

I suggest this because the Mastering aspect is the only completely neautral aspect and we should strive for neautrality, thus encouraging producers to use their style whilst knowing high-end production will be rewarded the most.

Complexity and Breakdown are the most subjective aspects and thus should be minimized, and judged mostly by how fitting the buildups breakdowns and complexity of each track to it's style and artistic idea.

As you see, a well connected& designed, plotted track with high sound quality and technical work will have half the work done, leaving the more subjective side with the rest of the score.

V) Judges are not to calculate the final score, but merely to keep track of each criteria's grade for each track within a .txt file, which at the end of the scoring will have it's contents copied and sent through E-mail or Tranceaddict forum personal message to the competitiona manager.

VI) Each of the competing remixers may or may not vote, using the Tranceaddict personal messages, to a remix of another remixer other than himself, by sending a message to the competition manager (Remixers will be allowed to download each f the remixes once they are renamed, and each remixer will be informed of his own number at the competition). All remixer votes will be gathered by the manager and at the end, the remix recieveing most votes will have 3 points subtracted from it's score on the Final List (See below).
To partially avoid artists avoiding voting for others so as to not help them lose these points, each voting artist will lose 1 point at the Final List. The winning artist amongst these will lose the additional 3 points, as explained below. It's each artist's decision whether to vote or not to another.

VII) Along other tasks, the manager's role is to gather all grades, calculate each judges final score for each track, then sort a list of twenty track per judge, sorting them from the remix with the highest score to the lowest. Form now on, a remixe's score will only be used in case of a tie.

IIX) Each track's rank amongst the others will count as the number of points it gets in each judge's ranking (IE first rank recieves 1 point, second will recieve 2 and so on). Once the process of giving points is done for each judge, points will be gathered from all judges to compile the Final List. The remix with the least points will be decided the winning track of the competition. In case of any tie in points, including amongst lower places, the remix with the average highest score will win the higher spot over the other(s)

IX) The manager will notify the judges of the results within 48 hours of the judging deadline and submission of the judges decisions, he will as well notify the winner within 48 hours and the winner will post a message announcing his win by replyig inside this thread, and once the manager aproves, the winner is officially The Winner.

X) Once The Winner had been announced, the competition is officialy over and the remixes may be shared and spread across the world wide web. The Winner and manager (plus possibly the judges) will take care of sorting the prize.



Is this OK with everyone?

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uploaded mp3s should be in 192kbit, 44.1khz, full stereo.

Well, the time's up for signing up for this compo... There's exactly one person on reserve list in case any of the competitors drops out...

Reserve list:
- Access

oDrori... I'm gonna have to read that again 'coz I didn't understand it completely the first time through... But it sounds good...

C U guyz around, I'll be in Italy till the 23rd so hope to see some responds here when I get back...

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Im dropping out of this competition, I've got alot of stuff going on now, including some events in early october for me. My spot is now up for grabs.

I'll try to make time for the next compo, but this one would be impossible.

good luck