Registered: Feb 2007
Location: Canberra, Australia
Hey look, I totally agree with you about melodies. Many popular melodies share a heap of similarities. And I'm totally fine with that - I'll happily listen to a catchy melody which is only one or two notes/ timings different to another catchy melody I've heard before.
I just find it unfortunate that some artists don't take the couple of seconds to quickly "micro dj" a melody into their song and have it appeal to so many more people.
On the other hand, if I could paraphrase you, it sums up my thoughts on production perfectly:
I think if you studied music production for even a year, the novelty of an interesting production technique will fade rather quick. Production techniques are like micro djing at this point. Just plug one in. THey are all the same with some rather small variation.
There are no new techniques, it's only ever small variations on what has been done before, by someone, in some genre.
Jan-22-2013 06:51
Zombie0915
Registered: Jul 2001
Location:
Playing with the impro-visor software is also a fun way to beat the shit out of some melodies. You can put a chord in and then set up a genre and artist style and it will just spit out music in a surprising example of artificial creativity.
Perhaps there are more novel harmonies out there in the microtonal world.
that "will we ever run out of music" video that was posted in another thread is another thing worth looking at if you're curious about harmonies and how to find novelty in them.
I'm kind of on the fence on the whole novelty thing. I mean, I really enjoy playing with csound and have tried the algorithmic automations and stuff (so far it has yielded little worth sharing), but I feel like too much departure from the norm causes one to lose touch with their audience a bit.
At the end of the day, the goal of a track is to make a mark on this dance culture we are all participating in. What we really want to make is that stunning track that drives crowds into dancing frenzy and radiates the vibe of all vibes. The hard part is generating that magical awesome feeling in crowds that have gone numb to the tracks that provided it in years past. Part of me thinks that doing this requires us to assimilate into the styles that these new crowds are into rather than pulling out some esoteric new texture that they will likely have trouble relating to.
But I just can't do it, I can't get into wubwubs and appealing to this rager bro demographic, but I also can't stand the other side of that coin, the pretentious hipster types, so I don't know what the hell to do except make stuff that I like and see if it flies.
I guess that is the golden question isn't it, finding a new way to musically convey feelings aside from the standard chord sequences and buildup structure.
Jan-22-2013 17:08
Richard Butler
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Apr 2009
Location: London
Hey I found a novel way to really fall in love with music again. At Xmas at a party the Wii dance game was being played. Hits from past and present one after another making people go wild with fun.
One of the popular ones was by Shrillex, I forget the track name. This was being played next to things like 'The Final Countdown', and fuck knows what.
Probably seems like a dumn comment this, but I dunno, sometimes I forget just how powerful and evocative music actually is.
I also saw The Manic Street Preachers world tour on TV - song after song that had massive male female audiences in tears of joy and emmotional havoc. Again just reminded me how powerful this music stuff can be.
I did notice on thier tracks the bass root note often went to what I percieve to be quite unusual places in relation to the melody which kept giving me a sense of surprise and awe.
I was pissed tho.........
Jan-22-2013 17:17
Looney4Clooney
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Apr 2010
Location:
quote:
Originally posted by derail
There are no new techniques, it's only ever small variations on what has been done before, by someone, in some genre.
I just mentioned some rather simple yet new. The fact that technology allows routing never before possible opens so many doors.
Tommy's Theme and Machine Gun by Noisia are super catchy. I love those tracks.
I don't regret really anything I did as a producer. Posting my stuff here when I was awful got me lambasted by everyone and I got a lot better very fast as a result even though it hurt.