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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby They aren't listening to the calls at all. Furthermore here is a funny picture of me to derail this thread. [img]http://www.imgur.com/PGUfxDu.jpeg[img]

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Omg, computer information systems function on the basis that all actions and interactions are basically logged, at some level?

Blasphemy.

Will be interesting to see what happens to Booz Allen, now. Such a big company, it would be insane for the government to stop working with them, but also somewhat logical.

God damn contractors running everything these days.

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Originally posted by enydo Seriously though, if you think the concept of "digital privacy" (whatever that is supposed to mean), was ever actually a thing, you're deluding yourself.

Yeah, I've never understood how the libertarian crowd thinks the way they do about computers.

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The guy who leaked the info has outed himself: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201...veillance/print

And here is a Q&A with the guy: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-why

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Q: Why did you decide to become a whistleblower? A: "The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything. With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your emails or your wife's phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your emails, passwords, phone records, credit cards. "I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things … I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under." ...Q: What do the leaked documents reveal? A: "That the NSA routinely lies in response to congressional inquiries about the scope of surveillance in America. I believe that when [senator Ron] Wyden and [senator Mark] Udall asked about the scale of this, they [the NSA] said it did not have the tools to provide an answer. We do have the tools and I have maps showing where people have been scrutinised most. We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians." ...Q: When did you decide to leak the documents? A: "You see things that may be disturbing. When you see everything you realise that some of these things are abusive. The awareness of wrong-doing builds up. There was not one morning when I woke up [and decided this is it]. It was a natural process. "A lot of people in 2008 voted for Obama. I did not vote for him. I voted for a third party. But I believed in Obama's promises. I was going to disclose it [but waited because of his election]. He continued with the policies of his predecessor." Q: What is your reaction to Obama denouncing the leaks on Friday while welcoming a debate on the balance between security and openness? A: "My immediate reaction was he was having difficulty in defending it himself. He was trying to defend the unjustifiable and he knew it." Q: What about the response in general to the disclosures? A: "I have been surprised and pleased to see the public has reacted so strongly in defence of these rights that are being suppressed in the name of security. It is not like Occupy Wall Street but there is a grassroots movement to take to the streets on July 4 in defence of the Fourth Amendment called Restore The Fourth Amendment and it grew out of Reddit. The response over the internet has been huge and supportive." Q: Washington-based foreign affairs analyst Steve Clemons said he overheard at the capital's Dulles airport four men discussing an intelligence conference they had just attended. Speaking about the leaks, one of them said, according to Clemons, that both the reporter and leaker should be "disappeared". How do you feel about that? A: "Someone responding to the story said 'real spies do not speak like that'. Well, I am a spy and that is how they talk. Whenever we had a debate in the office on how to handle crimes, they do not defend due process – they defend decisive action. They say it is better to kick someone out of a plane than let these people have a day in court. It is an authoritarian mindset in general."

So either Google and everyone else is lying about stored password encryption and HTTPS is fundamentally broken or this guy is full of shit.

Also "third party" makes me think this guy is nothing more than a libertarian plant. I am beginning to not trust this story at all.

Yep, this guy is a full on libertardian piece of shit. I hope he is disappeared. Libertarianism is a threat to all of humanity, on the same level as nazi fascism and zero year communism. These guys are total fucking freakjobs, every last one of them.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Yep, this guy is a full on libertardian piece of shit. I hope he is disappeared. Libertarianism is a threat to all of humanity, on the same level as nazi fascism and zero year communism. These guys are total fucking freakjobs, every last one of them.

What? why? The government is out of control, I am frankly very upset at Obama for this.

He better not return to Chicago after this.

Whoops! Fuck, Hal please don't take me!

Fuck the government! Fuck you Hal!

If people don't take to the streets or quit paying taxes. Then there would be more abuses. The government knows it can get away with stuff you can't! Fuck you all!

Because this sort of shit has been going on for decades and the far right is just using peoples general ignorance of how intelligence organizations work and fudging the actual details to push an agenda that is frankly scary.

Every single part of PRISM started before Obama took office, infact most of them took place right before he came in to office. Now Obama has continued to use these practices, and if you feel that these practices in general are not good, then you are right to criticize Obama, but here is where the far-rights gameplan comes into effect.

You make a huge stink about this, and you make it look like it is all Obama, and by extension the party of Obama and you never bring up the parts where none of this started with him you can begin to poison the mindset of the weak-willed and ignorant voters and begin to shift them back towards the right, the right that initially implemented this sort of crap.

Going further the libertarians love it because its an excuse to start ripping out other parts of government because it plays into the whole fallacious reasoning of "government is all bad".