Except the data you're talking about isn't technically OWNED by us, it's owned by the companies operating the services.

And they didn't take it either. They asked the companies for it, and it was handed over. It's not like they sent secret agents into Google's data centers and stole all of their information. You're so uninformed on pretty much every topic it's painful seeing you try to grasp at straws to try to put together some semblance of coherent argument that makes any sense at all.

Take away the root of a word and what do you get? A completely different word! Shocking!

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Taking information from a server you haven't been given access to is seizure.

While true, I think the most worrying point is that they didn't have to take anything; it was -and has for some time- given to them by the companies that, under licensed agreements, own the data, no matter the personally intrusive ramifications of it all.

It's not as though the NSA was caught hacking in to logs to spy on people. That would be something rather incredible.

The truth to this entire case is that it's remarkably mundane, and so are all of its characters.

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Come on, guys, one more ring and we'll be able to summon a green-skinned avatar who champions for the power of ego-terrorism:

CAPTAIN PEDANT!

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The bottom line is current laws are out of sync with what technology allows. Policy needs to be updated and discussed, but the outrage over this is just durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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If you don't like it, get rid of your phone, and the internet. Have fun.

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Takin forum pollution down to zero,
He's our powers magnified,
And he's fighting on the detail's side!

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B-BUT THE BIG BAD GOVERNMENT CAN SEE YOU

THEY CAN SEE IT ALL

AND THEY'RE BUYING UP ALLLLLL THE BULLETS

Quick somebody post a Lupe Fiasco song

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

What the fuck happened to this thread?

Lews and Srussell are bang on point; This type of monitoring has been going on for years. I remember hearing the news as a kid that the USA had this massive tape data center in the desert for recording calls and wired magazine then finally confirmed it in 2012.

None of what snowden has revealed is new. The French got all shitty over it when the story broke and oops, they've been at it even worse. Then it turns out the UK have one of the most adavnced forms of this, recording both content and metadata.

I completely get the need for protection of whistleblowers, but Snowden is not Daniel Ellsberg, and this information is not the pentagon papers.

Oh, and if you don't want your shit read or listened to then I suggest you stop using communication services that are owned and run by massive multinational corporations. I remember once in around calling my mobile phone provider in the UK as I thought I was having problems sending texts; they guy started reading texts back to me from 3+ years earlier. This was in 2003. All that data is recorded and any muppet working customer service in a call center can bring it all up in a second.

how does the fact it has been going on for a while diminish the severity or change how it should be viewed from an overall ethical view and a legal one which seems to be quite clear among some pretty noted lawyers that this is a unconstitutional. The fact that it has been going on for a while does not change any of that.

Collecting data from a source that does not give it to you and you don't have a warrants the textbook definition of unwarranted seizure. A bonobo monkey could make the link between having butt sex with another male monkey right before taking a giant shit and smearing it on his sister then fucking her in the ass while 3 other bonobos watch and masturbate.

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If the NSA's request was granted by an international judge, then how exactly is it illegal? Are searches and seizures that judges sign search warrants for illegal too?

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.