I've enjoyed this discussion. it hasn't got nasty just a good healthy discussion. I we all said 'who gives a fuck?' and just listened then these forums wouldn't be here. They're here for discussion, info and debate.

X-Hale, u've heard him(Picotto) live? And what kind of music do you listen?

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Originally posted by Zayatz X-Hale, u've heard him(Picotto) live? And what kind of music do you listen?

yes I've heared him live and I like trance, techno, prog, hard trance etc....

What were we talking about again? Ah no only messin.
I must post some more interesting reviews claiming stuff like tiesto spins old skool hip-hop, there should be some interesting replies then

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What a load of shit.. For one Ricky doesnt even DJ, secondly. Picotto has nothing to do with BXR any more, and thridly, if you think he is anything like Mario Piu Im guessing you've never heard him DJ before

First part about Ricky Effe your right, second your right, third you guessed fucking wrong, I've seen Mauro Picotto play about 5 or 6 times, he has played records produced by Piu, even though Piu is shit IMO. I'm not saying he's anything like Piu who used to play some good shit a year or two ago, but the last time I saw him GC @ NEC he was fucking shite.

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i think picotto is on the same bill as Tall Paul for NYE

is the event called My rich daddy and the magical wonky mixer?

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Originally posted by Djeebie Alright then, I searched even more and I found some more interesting things. First of all check out www.freetekno.org (it wasn't as underground as I thought after all ).

I downloaded the tunes you posted, and even looked for some more music from Armageddon Project. Here's my opinion:

Armageddon project - in the underworld
Hardcore... there's no doubt about it.
Armageddon project - church of pentagram
Hardcore... or experimental hardcore if you will, even though real experimental hardcore is a LOT noisier than it
NASA - System reset (I guess that's the tune from the first link you posted).
Hardcore... look for "The Creator - Kick the nation". It's some sort of cheesy version of this track.
Domination 2 - 202 Seq
Hardcore... if sped up

This is a natural evolution of hardcore, I'd say (although it hasn't changed THAT much). If this trend is really as big as you're claming, this is excellent for the electronic music scene. I know that most of you hate hardcore from deep inside your heart, but keep in mind that hardcore is a very important genre which took part in the creation of jungle, ebm and even psy-trance. The more genres there are, the richer electronic music becomes. These so-called "tekno" producers are willing to play something new (that's perfect!), but since their goal has not yet been achieved, it's too early to call it a genre (or even a sub-genre). Anyway, if they want to be taken seriosly, they should come up with a better name, because "tekno" sounds childish hmm... there's no "progressive hardcore" yet

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Originally posted by Technaut picotto aint a real techno DJ

HULLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by The Don HULLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi matey.

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Originally posted by Maaz I downloaded the tunes you posted, and even looked for some more music from Armageddon Project. Here's my opinion: Armageddon project - in the underworld Hardcore... there's no doubt about it. Armageddon project - church of pentagram Hardcore... or experimental hardcore if you will, even though real experimental hardcore is a LOT noisier than it NASA - System reset (I guess that's the tune from the first link you posted). Hardcore... look for "The Creator - Kick the nation". It's some sort of cheesy version of this track. Domination 2 - 202 Seq Hardcore... if sped up This is a natural evolution of hardcore, I'd say (although it hasn't changed THAT much). If this trend is really as big as you're claming, this is excellent for the electronic music scene. I know that most of you hate hardcore from deep inside your heart, but keep in mind that hardcore is a very important genre which took part in the creation of jungle, ebm and even psy-trance. The more genres there are, the richer electronic music becomes. These so-called "tekno" producers are willing to play something new (that's perfect!), but since their goal has not yet been achieved, it's too early to call it a genre (or even a sub-genre). Anyway, if they want to be taken seriosly, they should come up with a better name, because "tekno" sounds childish hmm... there's no "progressive hardcore" yet

Thanks for following the links and downloading the tracks More people should do that to understand what I was saying. I agree with you on the Armageddon Project tracks. These are hardcore, no doubt about it. But I never said that was tekno.

When you say these people have to come up with a better name for their music instead of tekno, you're right in a way. But on the other hand; look at the movement as a whole. Their goal is to give free parties for everybody. They dissociate themselves from commercialism. That's probably why they call their music tekno instead of techno. Plus they give it a much harder sound than your usual techno. I don't know how to explain this properly

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Originally posted by Djeebie Thanks for following the links and downloading the tracks

Thank you for telling us about it

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Originally posted by Djeebie More people should do that to understand what I was saying. I agree with you on the Armageddon Project tracks. These are hardcore, no doubt about it. But I never said that was tekno.

My bad

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Originally posted by Djeebie When you say these people have to come up with a better name for their music instead of tekno, you're right in a way. But on the other hand; look at the movement as a whole. Their goal is to give free parties for everybody. They dissociate themselves from commercialism. That's probably why they call their music tekno instead of techno. Plus they give it a much harder sound than your usual techno. I don't know how to explain this properly

I understand what you mean, mate. However, I don't think that labeling the music as "tekno" would save it from commercialism. First: they sell the vynils, don't they? That's commerce already. If they're trying to avoid what happened to the Gabber movement (which was destroyed by ID&T and the Dutch media), that's wonderful, but there's no need for them to be so radical, because it's almost pathetic

Also, as evil_bastard said, low-costs parties are not something exclusive for the "tekno" movement, because acid techno enthusiasts were already "aving it" in London in a similar way Anyway, props to them, because they're at least trying to do something for the scene

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Originally posted by Maaz I understand what you mean, mate. However, I don't think that labeling the music as "tekno" would save it from commercialism. First: they sell the vynils, don't they? That's commerce already.

Labeling the music as tekno indeed won't save it from commercialism. The people involved have to prevent that from happening. It's true they sell vinyls, but that happens on a very small scale. Probably a hundred copies of each track at most. Not your regular big business I'd say

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Originally posted by Maaz If they're trying to avoid what happened to the Gabber movement (which was destroyed by ID&T and the Dutch media), that's wonderful, but there's no need for them to be so radical, because it's almost pathetic

I know what you mean But these people are radical in some way. Not all of them! They're an underground music community after all. But some of them are environment activists/animal right fighters/anti-globalizationists (don't know if that's a word but you know what I mean). They have ideals of a totally free world where money hasn't got the power. That's why they organize their parties. And you know how the underground is like... they want the scene to remain small. In no way may it grow out of proportion, otherwise it wouldn't be underground anymore. They take far going measures to prevent the scene from growing too large.

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Originally posted by Maaz Also, as evil_bastard said, low-costs parties are not something exclusive for the "tekno" movement, because acid techno enthusiasts were already "aving it" in London in a similar way Anyway, props to them, because they're at least trying to do something for the scene

That's true. The Teknival movement derives from the acid techno enthusiasts who started the whole thing in London.

Good discussion this Really like it as it is going now.

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