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Originally posted by tiesto14 LOL...i am famous.....and um i beleive 70% of the American public supports my view ...we cant all be dumb...we are the leading country in the world...and being that i am a rightie as oppose to liberal and the richer Americans tend to be righties also, and the majority of them are very successful intelligent people...so i dunno...um FUCK OFF..lol

If that's what 70% feel like and act like, then no wonder you guys are causing all this shit in the world... like those little countries can't take care of their own business, so you have to interfere pretending to be only helping those people when you're in it just to show off or to cash in.

And yes, Fox is very supportive of the war, as 99% of other US news channels are... but I guess tiesto14 doesn't find that weird at all, since he has been influenced and brainwashed by his own government, and has been raised in that closed minded atmosphere that US actually is. Oh well... shit happens.

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Originally posted by fantom If that's what 70% feel like and act like, then no wonder you guys are causing all this shit in the world... like those little countries can't take care of their own business, so you have to interfere pretending to be only helping those people when you're in it just to show off or to cash in. And yes, Fox is very supportive of the war, as 99% of other US news channels are... but I guess tiesto14 doesn't find that weird at all, since he has been influenced and brainwashed by his own government, and has been raised in that closed minded atmosphere that US actually is. Oh well... shit happens.

fuck off dude....ur such a conspiracy theorist....i am not brainwashed and neither are Americans....

Man i fucking cant stand u ******s...your all fuckign NERDS who have no fuckign lives and never get laid...i swear to God when is ee kids like u out i wanna laugh my ass off..because your FUCKING TOOLS..

Dude your a loser..you ALWAYS will be.....your country is filled with pussies like France and u all wish you were Americans...no fuck off before i take the drive to TO and smash ur fucking face in...you fucking dorky ass tranceaddict...fucking loser bro

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Originally posted by Konijn Island They were also sociopaths--which would tend to complicate things a bit. I assumed that the question was posed absent any significant psychological defects.

So the entire Nazi regime was composed of sociopaths? All the officers, doctors, lawyers, intelligent men in society who approved of an ultra-right, anti-semetic, totalitarian regime were sociopaths? I think that they intelligence and political views are very independant, much like it's possible to have an intelligent racist or an intelligent sexist. Do you disagree?

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Originally posted by tiesto14 go watch SKY news while i watch Fox

Sky and Fox are both run by Rupert Murdoch
Sky gets it's stories from Fox

I'm sure it's already been said, but I thought it'd be good to reiterate.....
No actual proof Saddam has any WMD (but don't you know some will just appear, and the UN weapons inspectors are blind!)
WMD he may have, were sold to him by the US, and equipment of how to build WMD was sold by the British
Saddam gassed the Kurds.......so did Winston Churchill
If he did have WMD, wouldn't he have put them in the scuds fired at coalition forces yesterday? makes sense doesn't it?

Having said all these things, I'm wishing the very best of luck to the coalition forces, and hoping for a swift operation, and hoping that the Americans stick around this time to help rebuild the country...

as for tiesto14

you're a complete spastic!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 fuck off dude....ur such a conspiracy theorist....i am not brainwashed and neither are Americans.... Man i fucking cant stand u ******s...your all fuckign NERDS who have no fuckign lives and never get laid...i swear to God when is ee kids like u out i wanna laugh my ass off..because your FUCKING TOOLS.. Dude your a loser..you ALWAYS will be.....your country is filled with pussies like France and u all wish you were Americans...no fuck off before i take the drive to TO and smash ur fucking face in...you fucking dorky ass tranceaddict...fucking loser bro

Hahahaha!
Did I get you pissed off by any chance? Nah, that can't be...

And by the way, I just got my Canadian citizenship a year ago, and that's basically all that ties me with Canada.

And if you could grow up a bit (even though you're 26?) and actually spend some time reading/travelling/learning about other countries (yes, there are other countries in this world beside your America) and their histories and cultures, you wouldn't sound so stupidly childish as you do now... but I guess 80% of your population is genetically predisposed to be ignorant and dumb, and the other 20% are turned dumb later on in their lives by your education system/media/lifestyle. There are a few exceptions, but they are rare... and no, you're not one of them.

And just for the record, I might be a nerd to some of you, but I've had more pussy in my 21 years of age than you will in a lifetime (and no, you wouldn't even stand a chance with half of them, since they wouldn't even consider a twat like you with such a low IQ).

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Originally posted by occrider So the entire Nazi regime was composed of sociopaths? All the officers, doctors, lawyers, intelligent men in society who approved of an ultra-right, anti-semetic, totalitarian regime were sociopaths? I think that they intelligence and political views are very independant, much like it's possible to have an intelligent racist or an intelligent sexist. Do you disagree?

My conception of intelligence is fundamentally based on reason and rationality. When irrationality and paranoia enter the equation, intelligence, in its totalizing and encompassing form, is irrevocably skewed.

Hence, you have someone like the Unabomber, an extremely able and technologically apt individual, whose practical intelligence is rendered null by his paranoia. That's why I would consider terms like "nazi intelligentsia" or "fascist intellectual" oxymoronic; the capacity of seemingly intelligent people (professors, doctors) to reason has given way to irrational theories of communist conspiracy and anti-semitism, and other similar ideas.

A person can have an I.Q. of 200, but if their process of logic is based on functions which are objectively unreasonable, then practical intelligence goes out the window.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 fuck off dude....ur such a conspiracy theorist....i am not brainwashed and neither are Americans....

LOL!!!!!#$!@#$ AHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA OMFG.
This sounds like an argument between a football jock and a polititian. LOL!#$!@# AHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAH

Even tho i am pro war in the spirit of converting all police states to democracys and then let the people decide weather or not they like there crapy fundamentalist/policestate govs. This is a politcal DEBATE board. NOT a 12 year teen hang out where everyone calls each other a poo poo face and throws in the latest mom joke they got of a joke site. Statements like "fuck off", and "you are @#$%" belong in a fight chat room. U can find these all over the net so why not take your angry simplistic statement/arguemnt there. Im 110% sure that youl find a like minded audience. Your whole argument could also be summed up in a relativly small paragraph on one of the dozen existing USA vs IRAQ threds.
:rolleyes

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Originally posted by Konijn Island My conception of intelligence is fundamentally based on reason and rationality. When irrationality and paranoia enter the equation, intelligence, in its totalizing and encompassing form, is irrevocably skewed. Hence, you have someone like the Unabomber, an extremely able and technologically apt individual, whose practical intelligence is rendered null by his paranoia. That's why I would consider terms like "nazi intelligentsia" or "fascist intellectual" oxymoronic; the capacity of seemingly intelligent people (professors, doctors) to reason has given way to irrational theories of communist conspiracy and anti-semitism, and other similar ideas. A person can have an I.Q. of 200, but if their process of logic is based on functions which are objectively unreasonable, then practical intelligence goes out the window.

Well much of the Nazi ideaology was based on reason and rationality in a twisted way. Their belief was that aryans were a superior race over Jews and other ethnicities. They rationally concluded that untermenschen were a threat that contaminated the gene pool. Thus in order to "make society better" as a whole, they proceeded to cleanse the gene pool of lesser races. It wasn't soleley based on racism. They had doctors who constructed whole sciences out of proving their theory. Many intelligent people weren't being irrational or paranoid, they actually believed that what they were doing was benefiting society as a whole.

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Originally posted by occrider Well much of the Nazi ideaology was based on reason and rationality in a twisted way. Their belief was that aryans were a superior race over Jews and other ethnicities. They rationally concluded that untermenschen were a threat that contaminated the gene pool. Thus in order to "make society better" as a whole, they proceeded to cleanse the gene pool of lesser races. It wasn't soleley based on racism. They had doctors who constructed whole sciences out of proving their theory. Many intelligent people weren't being irrational or paranoid, they actually believed that what they were doing was benefiting society as a whole.

He's got a point...

Too bad Hitler didn't come through with his plans and actually win the war, because I might have been a blonde with blue eyes now living in a perfect society. Twisted, but peaceful...

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Originally posted by fantom He's got a point... Too bad Hitler didn't come through with his plans and actually win the war, because I might have been a blonde with blue eyes now living in a perfect society. Twisted, but peaceful...

Hmmm well considering you're from yugoslavia there's a pretty good chance that your parents would have been gassed. Hitler's opinion of slavs were that they were a peg above jews ... Distinct enough to warrant a racial difference but not distinct enough to escape death. At best you might be doing slave labor

Edit: Oh yes and that utopian society that you would not be a part of would likely be most akin to an orwellian nightmare.

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Originally posted by occrider Hmmm well considering you're from yugoslavia there's a pretty good chance that your parents would have been gassed. Hitler's opinion of slavs were that they were a peg above jews ... Distinct enough to warrant a racial difference but not distinct enough to escape death. At best you might be doing slave labor Edit: Oh yes and that utopian society that you would not be a part of would likely be most akin to an orwellian nightmare.

True, true... but hey, I would've probably never been born at all, since my parents would've been exterminated one way or another. Oh well...

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Originally posted by Vesa According to my experience, intelligence and practical sense are rarely found in the same person. An intelligent person's excellent capacity of abstract thinking leads to a world model where they look at even practical things using high-level (often inappropriate) theories. As to Nazis, many of them believed in racial theories and strange occultist mythologies. No sane person would do that. If they had had the slightest practical sense to look at the so-called Untermenschen objectively, they would have seen that all races are just similar human beings. But they were blinded by their pseudo-intellectual thinking, and killed millions of civilians for their twisted theories

So stupidity breeds practicallity? Or are intelligence and practicallity incompatable? I look at myself as being relatively intelligent and yet I like to think of myself as being practical because I'm too lazy to be otherwise.

With regards to the Nazis, racial theories and the occult were BOTH presented to the public to validate their racial policies. However I doubt that BOTH appealed to the same person. Either a person is very scientific or a person is superstitious. It's actually a very intelligent (pardon the pun on the topic) propoganda tool, with one you influence the intelligenstia and with the other you capture the unlearned masses. With every history book I read, they always describe Goebbels as a genius and I would have to agree. Anyway I disagree that a sane person cannot/would not go along with an untermenschen idea. Are you saying that an entire generation of Germans were insane/pseudo-intelligent and suddenly became sane/intelligent after the war?

There is a VERY famous experiment that opened my eyes to human behaviour and I think it will prove my point. It was basically a study conducted in the 60's examining WHY regular, intelligent German people did what they did and allowed what happened to happen. I suggest you ALL read it!

http://www.cultsock.ndirect.co.uk/M...ocinf/obed.html

This experiment was replicated by other researchers. The experiments spanned a 25-year period from 1961 to 1985 and have been repeated in Australia, South Africa and in several European countries. All with similar results.