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Originally posted by Vesa The world seems to be going down in flames on the path of a new World War again. And just because of a few ideological imperialist idiots with an elaborate unrealistic world view (didn't this happen in World War II already?)

Well I think that's a little bit exagerated Vega. Right now the neocons are on the defensive and whereas they used to have Bush's ear directly after 9/11 they are growing more and more detached from power as a result fo the quagmire of Iraq. I just read an article somehwere on this, have to see if I can find it again.

Anyway let's just hope that younger shits actually get out and vote to affect change. The apathy of youth towards politics is disgusting as I preached about in that education thread a while back.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2003Sep22.html

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Originally posted by Vesa On average, one US soldier has been killed per day, which is not much compared to Vietnam or World War II.

A relative who recently came back from the Gulf said that they have only been reporting a fraction of the total casualties.

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Hopefully, young Americans wake up, revive the original American ideas, and vote for politicians who convince foreigners about the US foreign policy using diplomacy and wisdom rather than stick and carrot.

YES! Finally someone with some sense.



"War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses."

- Thomas Jefferson


"The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair."

— H.L. Mencken


"It is not the function of the government to keep the citizens from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error."

— U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert Parker

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Originally posted by Trancer-X A relative who recently came back from the Gulf said that they have only been reporting a fraction of the total casualties.

That wouldn't surprise me. I think the Pentagon is only obligated to release figures of soldiers who were killed as opposed to soldiers who are wounded.

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel Why resurrect a thread that has been inactive for over 4 months and then continue to post and post and post "off-topic" arguments/information?

It's called freedom. We're allowed to do it.

I'm sorry that you're so bothered by it.

The following is the letter to the editor written by Lt. Col. Steve Butler who was serving as vice chancellor for student affairs at the Defense Language Institute when he wrote the letter, published in The Herald on May 26.

Butler was suspended from his duties at the Monterey language school following publication of his letter, which could constitute a violation of Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Article 88 bars any commissioned officer from using "contemptuous words" about the president, Congress and various other officials. The matter, which is now attracting national attention, is under investigation by the Air Force.

The letter follows as originally published :

It's about time conservative idiots like Steve Kelly and Rod Musgrove got a dose of reality. Of course President Bush knew about the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. His daddy had Saddam and he needed Osama.

His presidency was going nowhere. He wasn't elected by the American people, but placed into the Oval Office by the conservative supreme court. The economy was sliding into the usual Republican pits and he needed something on which to hang his presidency.

For them to accuse Democrats of being "sleazy" is laughable. Isn't it ironic that Kelly begins his inane babble with a reference to Monica Lewinsky? How many people died because of Monica Lewinsky? And for Musgrove to call the assertions "contemptible" is another joke. Funny how he manages to make disparaging remarks about President Clinton, as well.

Face it people, Bill Clinton was a great president. This guy is a joke. What is sleazy and contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain. The Democrats asking pertinent questions is their duty as public servants.

- Lt. Col. Steve Butler


http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/m...ald/3393351.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...l-suspended.htm

Damn Tiesto14 for deleting his stupid 911 thread.

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Just one more gas - on the gas:

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Originally posted by occrider I never said that transporting LNG from Pakistan by tanker was impossible, I said it was too costly given the expensive nature involved in cooling down the gas, and that it would be more economically feasible to transport LNG from Canada or South America.

Because natural gas moves more efficiently by pipeline than tanker (for which it needs to be liquefied), the difference comes mostly from Canada. Now the Canadians are running low, and exports to the U.S. are expected to be flat, or possibly even decline.

LIQUEFIED NATURAL GAS: BACK TO THE FUTURE. To meet the surging demand for natural gas in the short term, Greenspan does see a solution: liquefied natural gas (lng). He has told Congress that "given notable cost reductions for both liquefaction and transportation of lng, significant global trade is developing. And high gas prices projected in the American distant futures market have made us a potential very large importer."


Translation: Because natural-gas prices are going up—and are going to stay up—it's now time to bring in more expensive lng from the Caribbean, the Middle East, Africa and possibly Russia. To import natural gas, it must be chilled to minus 260(degree)F, which converts it to a liquid and reduces its volume. An amount that would normally fill a beach ball can fit inside a Ping-Pong ball. When the liquid arrives at terminals in the U.S., it is slowly warmed up, returned to a vapor form and sent through pipelines.


Today Cove Point is being expanded and will reopen soon. The plants in the three other states are already open, and plans are on the drawing board for two dozen more.


http://www.ecology.com/ecology-news...-out-of-gas.htm

http://www.dom.com/about/gas-transm...point/index.jsp

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Just one more gas - on the gas: Because natural gas moves more efficiently by pipeline than tanker (for which it needs to be liquefied), the difference comes mostly from Canada. Now the Canadians are running low, and exports to the U.S. are expected to be flat, or possibly even decline. LIQUEFIED NATURAL GAS: BACK TO THE FUTURE. To meet the surging demand for natural gas in the short term, Greenspan does see a solution: liquefied natural gas (lng). He has told Congress that "given notable cost reductions for both liquefaction and transportation of lng, significant global trade is developing. And high gas prices projected in the American distant futures market have made us a potential very large importer." Translation: Because natural-gas prices are going up—and are going to stay up—it's now time to bring in more expensive lng from the Caribbean, the Middle East, Africa and possibly Russia. To import natural gas, it must be chilled to minus 260(degree)F, which converts it to a liquid and reduces its volume. An amount that would normally fill a beach ball can fit inside a Ping-Pong ball. When the liquid arrives at terminals in the U.S., it is slowly warmed up, returned to a vapor form and sent through pipelines. Today Cove Point is being expanded and will reopen soon. The plants in the three other states are already open, and plans are on the drawing board for two dozen more. http://www.ecology.com/ecology-news...-out-of-gas.htm http://www.dom.com/about/gas-transm...point/index.jsp

When gas from Turkmenestein becomes a major exporter to the US then you can say I told you so, fair enough?

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Originally posted by occrider Damn Tiesto14 for (...).

Are you still going to contest our need for liquid natural gas?

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Are you still going to contest our need for liquid natural gas?

Well of course we need natural gas. I contest the theory that we went to war in Afghanistan over this silly pipeline. And I still stand by my major points. Do you want to go into this whole thing again to the annoyance of others?

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Originally posted by occrider What this has to do with a natural gas pipeline that no american company really wants to touch and is being managed by a middle east consortium I really have no idea.

I doubt that they would want to rely on just one source or one specific country.

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/company/cnn33602.htm

I could go on and on and on and on and...