Hi Guys,

I came across someone who mentioned that ferry corsten uses 32nd beat mixing technique ... and also some form of mixing call illusion?


Can someone tell me what kind of mixing techniques are these? And how many mixing techniques are there?

I believe 32nd beat mixing could be that you kill the outgoing track on the 32nd beat?

im a newbie to mixing ... could someone care to enlighten me ?


cheers

There are an infinite numer of mixing techniques...
HERE is a link to a site that explains some techniques, also check the Beat pattern section.

What I usually do is beatkilling or breakdownmixing

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Originally posted by Push2005 Ik ben net terug begonnen met cassettes op te kopen... Die pitchcontrol is echt ongelofelijk !

thanks for the link dude.


but will someone explain to me what illusion mixing is? .. how about 32nd beat mixing? .

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Originally posted by raveanddie thanks for the link dude. but will someone explain to me what illusion mixing is? .. how about 32nd beat mixing? .

I assume 32nd beat mixing is mixing in the 32 first beats of the new song into the 32 last beats of the outmixing song. Which means very long mixes, which is usually used in progressive trance and not uplifting. Could be wrong thow.

Have no idea about the illusion mixing.

32 beat mixing would be making your major changes every 32 beats so that the changes happens in phrase. It makes the transition flow a lot better. The mix should last more than 32 beats though. It depends on the track but something around 128 beats and over would be normal. Anything under 64 beats is very short

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Heya Rave,
Any discussion bout mixing techniques usually ends up really looong because there are so many things so talk bout.But I'll try to keep this as short as possible.

99% of Electronic Dance Music is made in sets of 32 beats.This means that in almost every track,something will either be added or removed from a track every 32 beats.If not there will atleast be a sample or something.
Now while mixing if you release your track at the start of a 32 beat set then both the songs will have something added or removed every 32 beats and the mix will sound very good.This is called mixing on the bar[since most music is made up or divided into bars]
Your mixes should generally last atleast 128 beats[32 x 4]which is bout a minute.

Not only does Ferry Corsten use this technique but almost every Dj in the world who has some idea bout finer mixing uses this technique.It is one of the basic steps towards better mixing.
If any of this is unclear then lemme know and I will explain with an example.

As for illusion mixing I am just as curios as the rest of you.

thank you very much scratchmaster ... nice nick you got there. must be really good in mixing i presume?


mixing for about 128beats? .. ah ... i suck at it real bad .. i only can keep up with about 32beats before things start to go haywire ... the music will start to clash with ingoing and outgoing.

how do you usually bring in your incoming track? .. heard of the usual bass eq off ... how about hihats?(treble) ... how do the top djs usually most of the time(and i mean most of the time) bring in their tracks? .... i know different music has different ways of matching with the live music .. but whats the general nice rule should i use to bring in the incoming tracks so that it will sound nice?

It often works good by bringin the treble in highest and having the
bass on quite low, getting that new hihat to work its way in.
Then depending on the track increasing mid or high as it goes.

But as you mentioned, its to dependant on which tune it is.
Someones fit better if you just kick it in with a huge bass and
sometimes its just the mids and some treble that does the trick.

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there really isn't any rules to mixing
as long as it's mixed and it sounds pleasing, how you do it is up to you
you don't have to and really can't follow a formula when mixing
otherwise your mixes become boring

like i've said before, mixing is an artform, express yourself
have fun with it
and above all else, practice

you really can't learn a lot from reading a message-board
you actually have to turn on your decks and play around

record every time you mix, then listen to it later... find out what you like and don't like, then change what you don't like

i know it doesn't make any sense to you now, but it will

many n00bs have asked the same questions you're asking right now
we told them to just practice and they'll get it

and a couple months later they finally get it

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What shockwav sayd about the recording part is VERY usefull. I mean, when you listen to it, you'll immediately hear what sounds wrong. After listening to the recording, you should think of a better way to mix them. When you found a way, try again, record it again, listen to it AGAIN and if it sounds better, you should proceed to the next track. This is the way to learn to mix. Also, what I did, was that I wrote down titles of tracks I was able to mix together, and every day the list became longer and longer. (now, when i hear those recordings again, i think that it sounds awfull), but now after 6 months of practise, some tracks just won't fit in the mix...
But, 1 thing you should read about are beat patterns... Its about the placement and stuff, one of the only texts that is usefull
you should read it...
http://www.recess.co.uk/structure.html
good luck!

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Originally posted by Push2005 Ik ben net terug begonnen met cassettes op te kopen... Die pitchcontrol is echt ongelofelijk !

i usually do really long mixes. normally from a minute to two or more. the syle of most of my mixes is a variation of the 32beat style. I can't explain it. I just know and I do it. Sounds much smoother the way I'm doing things now. Some might say the key is off but the tracks flow a hell of a lot better. Maybe I'm just weird. Who knows.

Oh and I don't think you can learn from reading. If anything it'd just confuse you more.

It's all about learning for yourself and teaching yourself. That way you can create your own style and such...

hi guys.

THANK YOU ALL FOR REPLYING... i certainly learnt something. looks like i will be off to my cmx ... hehehe ..


most of the time when i bring in tracks, i usually put the incoming mid to 20% ... looks like the reason for my clashings all has to do more with the treble which is at the full ...

guess i will have to learn ....
hence, there are no shortcuts to any place worth going to ...