what is considered a huge difference in pitch? My question comes b/c sometimes i have two tracks that sound like they are pretty close in speed, but when i finally get them matched, one pitch is at 0 and the other is at say +1.0. Is that a huge difference?

That's peanuts. If you're playing a song of 140, +1% = 141.4. so 1.4 beats more in one minute. It's hardly noticable.

I consider from 6-7 a huge difference.

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Originally posted by Hootchis what is considered a huge difference in pitch? My question comes b/c sometimes i have two tracks that sound like they are pretty close in speed, but when i finally get them matched, one pitch is at 0 and the other is at say +1.0. Is that a huge difference?

What I think your getting at:

Tracks arent all printed at the same speed.

So:

if one track is a +0% of say 136, and the other say 140, there would be a rough diff of 3% in pitch.

SO: If the 140 bpm track is on say +2%, the 136 bpm would be very close to the +5% mark to be the same speed.

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ohhh, thanks!

did you often find when you first started that counting the bpm's was helpful in matching the tracks.

nah, counting bpms is useless. just match them up with the slider.

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Originally posted by JohnSmith nah, counting bpms is useless. just match them up with the slider.

Agree. Forget about the maths and use your ears.

And you don't have to have that sensitive ears to hear that the track isn't running at the right speed

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Originally posted by Push2005 Ik ben net terug begonnen met cassettes op te kopen... Die pitchcontrol is echt ongelofelijk !

On most cd players...
a pitch of 0.7% increases the track by 1 bpm
a pitch of approx 1.1% increases the track by 1.5 bpm
a pitch of 1.4% increases the track by 2 bpm
a pitch of approx 1.8% increases the track by 2.5 bpm
a pitch of 2.1% increases the track by 3 bpm
a pitch of approx 2.5% increases the track by 3.5 bpm
a pitch of 2.8% increases the track by 4 bpm
a pitch of approx 3.2% increases the track by 4.5 bpm
a pitch of 3.5% increases the track by 5 bpm
a pitch of approx 3.9% increases the track by 5.5 bpm
a pitch of 4.2% increases the track by 6 bpm
a pitch of approx 4.6% increases the track by 6.5 bpm

if the incoming track is faster than the outgoing

just follow the above, just know its a negative eg -0.7, -1.4 to decrease the pitch.

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Last edited by Xavier on May-08-2003 at 23:48

Hm, maybe you shouldn't worry so much about the difference in pitch between two songs as the difference in pitch in one song. What I mean is this:

Put on a record that you want to evaluate, and play it. Put your finger on the pitch and close your eyes, and listen carefully to the music! Slowly increase the pitch until you come to a point where the song doesn't sound good anymore. Then look at the +X number. You can also slow it down like this and see how low it can go before it doesn't sound right.

I don't know if I'm making sense here, but basically it's a good way of seeing the acceptable "range" of pitch that you can force on a single record. That way, when mixing, you can see if what you are about to mix in will sound like junk when you actually do.

In fact you don't even have to do this in advance, just do it on the fly. When you are considering mixing vinyl X into vinyl Y, which is playing, go to the middle of X in your cue, and just approximately beatmatch it and see how it sounds. If it's off then don't play that record.

Doing qualitative comparisons like these, IMHO, is always better than figuring out things in advance by counting, etc.

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Originally posted by Alccode Hm, maybe you shouldn't worry so much about the difference in pitch between two songs as the difference in pitch in one song. What I mean is this: Put on a record that you want to evaluate, and play it. Put your finger on the pitch and close your eyes, and listen carefully to the music! Slowly increase the pitch until you come to a point where the song doesn't sound good anymore. Then look at the +X number. You can also slow it down like this and see how low it can go before it doesn't sound right. I don't know if I'm making sense here, but basically it's a good way of seeing the acceptable "range" of pitch that you can force on a single record. That way, when mixing, you can see if what you are about to mix in will sound like junk when you actually do. In fact you don't even have to do this in advance, just do it on the fly. When you are considering mixing vinyl X into vinyl Y, which is playing, go to the middle of X in your cue, and just approximately beatmatch it and see how it sounds. If it's off then don't play that record. Doing qualitative comparisons like these, IMHO, is always better than figuring out things in advance by counting, etc.

yeah this is so true, some tracks sound horrible at a certain pitch and sound even more beautiful at a certain pitch, this is really your job to pick out the best track with the best pitch...

even if you listen to livesets sometimes they drop a record and youll be like this needs to be a bit faster or slower, its easier for you to find out if you record your mix also... see what works

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one more question for you guys, since you all seem to be so helpful.
Do you ever use the VU meter to just the pitch of the cued track compared to the present outgoing track. Or do you just simply you use your ears to judge everything.